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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#77151: Jul 21st 2015 at 5:33:09 PM

The only vets that really had a base moveset change were Zelda, Sheik, Pit, and Charizard. And all but one of them were originally part of multiple characters in Melee and Brawl.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#77152: Jul 21st 2015 at 5:49:06 PM

Mario's Mario Tornado was a cornerstone of his moveset in Melee, but that didn't stop Sakurai from introducing F.L.U.D.D.

No more excuses, is my point- If something would be unambiguously better if it were different, it makes sense to do the different thing.

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#77153: Jul 21st 2015 at 5:50:19 PM

[up][up]And ZSS.

And Olimar.

And Dedede.

And Bowser.

And many more.

And I'm not entirely sure what the point of this is since the subject is completely ignoring the more subtle and decisive alterations to various moves.

edited 21st Jul '15 5:51:25 PM by Demonfly

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#77154: Jul 21st 2015 at 5:50:35 PM

I personally think most of Ganondorf's A moves are fine. Maybe change the animation for some of his Smash Attacks to be a sword strike, or replace his up-tilt with one, but otherwise they're different enough now.

It's his B-moves that need changing, really. Flame Choke's the only one that really works as his own unique move.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#77155: Jul 21st 2015 at 5:51:12 PM

[up][up]Indeed.

Hell, with the various physics changes, you always have stuff to relearn anyway.

[up]Though I'd not complain if they just had him go full Hyrule Warriors if they wanted to.

edited 21st Jul '15 5:51:58 PM by Pulse

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#77156: Jul 21st 2015 at 5:52:21 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]F.L.U.D.D. is still awful, especially now that Sunshine is even older than the Fleeting Demographic.

edited 21st Jul '15 5:53:12 PM by BaffleBlend

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#77157: Jul 21st 2015 at 5:54:08 PM

I dunno, it's interesting and gives Mario some degree of advance technique to him, even if it is on the unwieldy side.

And hey, Tornado's more or less derived from the Spin Jump in Super Mario World, and that's even older.

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#77158: Jul 21st 2015 at 5:55:27 PM

Well, I'll always prefer Dr. Mario to Regular Mario, because the Tornado is just better.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#77159: Jul 21st 2015 at 5:55:33 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]I forgot to specify this, but I meant from Brawl to Sm4sh. So that excludes Mario. Base moveset excludes Smash Ball, so I think that could exclude ZSS. Dedede barely really has a difference (Besides, he could throw Gordos in Brawl, unless you're talking about his final smash). Olimar did actually have a major change between Brawl and 4.

edited 21st Jul '15 5:56:04 PM by powerpuffbats

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#77160: Jul 21st 2015 at 6:05:40 PM

You're ignoring Zero's new free kill-confirm Up-B (and I recall there being key differences in her non-Special moveset as well), while Gordo Toss is functionally an entirely new move altogether, especially with its far lesser potential knockback and suicidal gimmick (and this is again putting aside regular attack changes like his D-tilt).

Regardless, again, movesets aren't the only factor here.

edited 21st Jul '15 6:05:57 PM by Demonfly

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#77161: Jul 21st 2015 at 6:18:29 PM

Ugh. Why is nobody ever in the Multiplayer thread anymore? Do people not actually play against each other anymore?

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#77162: Jul 21st 2015 at 6:20:37 PM

[up][up]I actually didn't notice any difference with ZSS, or Gordo throw having differing properties.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#77163: Jul 21st 2015 at 6:22:51 PM

[up][up]A lot of the requests are one-on-one and thus have moved to Private Messages, which are private.

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#77164: Jul 21st 2015 at 6:24:17 PM

[up]I see. Well, where do I go when I don't have a specific person in mind?

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#77165: Jul 21st 2015 at 6:48:54 PM

Sonic is pain and I hate every single second I spend fighting one.

Also my favorite Final Smashes are Greninja, Megaman, Robin, Kirby and Pit.

BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#77166: Jul 21st 2015 at 6:54:27 PM

I like Mario's F.L.U.D.D. It's a unique, unorthodox move that helps to differentiate his playstyle from Doc and Luigi. It's situational as situational can be, but with the right matchup, it's always there when you need it. It's basically like a built-in Gust Bellows, except not nearly as braindead.

That, and Little Macs cower in fear over the sheer sight of it.

edited 21st Jul '15 6:54:40 PM by BurntMario

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#77167: Jul 21st 2015 at 6:54:51 PM

Eh, campy Links, Villager and Spamuses are worse. Pit can be a solid counter for Sonic because disjointed jab locks.

And Duck Hunt and Ryu have the best final smashes. I kinda wanted Metsu Shoryuken instead of Shin Shoryuken.

edited 21st Jul '15 6:55:20 PM by mrstack345

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#77168: Jul 21st 2015 at 7:20:57 PM

Robin's Pair-Up. Nothing's quite as satisfying as hitting with Chrom, then unleashing pain. cool

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#77169: Jul 21st 2015 at 7:26:02 PM

Especially upon Lucina.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
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#77170: Jul 21st 2015 at 7:48:58 PM

This went from satisfactory victory to child abuse really really fast.

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Too hot to hoot
#77171: Jul 21st 2015 at 8:24:52 PM

Ah, fun times. In FG on the 3DS version, I was playing as Charizard against Mr. Game and Watch, and he'd been trying the whole match to land a 9 with Judgement. Well, in the final hit of the match, he got it... right while I was in the middle of Rock Smash's super armour. He was sent soaring and I couldn't help but laugh.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#77172: Jul 21st 2015 at 8:46:11 PM

Oddly enough, the way I counter Sonic is by going WFT. Of course, this usually happens in local games, but it tends to work out well for me.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#77173: Jul 21st 2015 at 8:56:27 PM

Sonic's annoying to fight since he can just run away all the time.

Good thing about being Wario is you can catch every single one of his approaches in your mouth. Dash attack, side-B, down-B, neutral-B, even the D-air if you angle it right.tongue

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BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#77174: Jul 21st 2015 at 10:30:43 PM

You know, I just realized: the Gale Boomerang works just like boomerangs in the Zelda series in that it returns items to Link.

How did I not notice that until now?

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Naspah Perpetually tired from My house in the middle of nowhere Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: Californicating
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#77175: Jul 21st 2015 at 10:35:53 PM

Been practicing my Shulk for a couple of days now, and I'm having more fun with him than I expected.


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