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#77101: Jul 21st 2015 at 8:03:52 AM

For a while I would fire Fox's blaster until my opponent came over to me, then do some acrobatics around them to get the upper hand.

Projectiles are important for the fighters who have them. It's a safe option that forces your opponent to get in close, so then you either move and do it again or hope their damage is high enough to smash them away.

With enough variety, it doesn't get stale. But really any strategy is viable if it helps you win, no matter how cheap.

Unless it's something like smacking away their controller or sitting on top of them so they can't see. ;p

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#77102: Jul 21st 2015 at 8:15:49 AM

The whole spam projectiles method is the whole reason I've decided to learn Falco. My only other main with a reflector is Dr. Mario, but I want give my opponents a taste of their own medicine while I'm at it. R.O.B. players are especially bad with using projectiles until you get close, rolling to the other side of the stage and repeating it.

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#77103: Jul 21st 2015 at 8:28:07 AM

ROB isn't really a good character for people to get projectile spammy with. The laser needs to charge, and so does the gyromite. In the latter's case, it can even get thrown back at you if they block.

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#77104: Jul 21st 2015 at 8:43:18 AM

Or Villager can pocket the gyro and never allow you to use it again tongue

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#77105: Jul 21st 2015 at 8:46:55 AM

To be fair, Robo Beam doesn't take very long to charge, especially in Smash 4. If players aren't spamming his projectiles, they'll usually throw a gyromite and attack with the laser as a followup.

[up] Villager is a nightmare for Wario players for that very reason. I've had matches where Villagers would throw the bike and then Pocket it again. It gets so annoying.

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#77106: Jul 21st 2015 at 8:47:01 AM

Well, every projectile character hates Villager. tongue

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#77107: Jul 21st 2015 at 8:48:42 AM

Except Wario isn't even a projectile character. He needs the Wario Bike for a guaranteed horizontal recovery.

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#77108: Jul 21st 2015 at 8:54:31 AM

ROB can't get too spammy but if he paces himself, he can roll-spam to draw things out until his laser or gyro come back. For the most part, an obnoxious but not efficient strategy is to use a gyroid to create an obstacle for slow characters to move around. But really I think just about anything else has a higher chance of working overall + being more fun for all parties involved.

In general, not sure how spammers have fun playing the game, win or lose.

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#77109: Jul 21st 2015 at 8:55:53 AM

I do it when I'm feeling particularly Troll-y.

Because seeing people frustrated and helpless is funny sometimes.

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#77110: Jul 21st 2015 at 8:56:44 AM

There are people who take joy in annoying others.

Ask any younger sibling ever.

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#77111: Jul 21st 2015 at 8:59:24 AM

Sheik actually doesn't have a problem with Villager because needles can't be pocketed.

And Villager usually doesn't bother pocketing weak projectiles like Water Shuriken and Mario and Luigi's fireballs tongue

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#77112: Jul 21st 2015 at 9:02:24 AM

Actually, Villager can Pocket Sheik's needles as well.

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#77113: Jul 21st 2015 at 9:03:14 AM

With the right character, goading Villager into a pocket would actually be a decent way to approach. Mario and other Mario-like characters being the best examples.

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#77114: Jul 21st 2015 at 9:04:34 AM

I've always had a fun time pocketing Water Shuriken, granted, against non-main Greninjas with my non-main Villager. But the result is usually positive unless Greninja is getting tricky. A pocketed fully-charged Water Shuriken can kill Greninja pretty easily.

Speaking of pocket scenarios, I think my only useful strategy against Villagers is letting them take a gordo. Many are super eager to throw it back out, and it's not too difficult to whack it back at them for a deadly counter. Are Villagers able to manipulate the angle of a gordo the same way Dedede can? Or does it have a set interval, or go the same angle Dedede threw it at?

edited 21st Jul '15 9:06:10 AM by HeavyDDR

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#77115: Jul 21st 2015 at 9:10:54 AM

A smart Greninja won't ever charge shuriken against Villager or any character with reflector, not when you can just pester with uncharged ones.

Oh yeah this wonderful strategy showed up at EVO. The player using it reached top 32 and even took out Japan's best player (Rain).

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#77116: Jul 21st 2015 at 9:17:43 AM

That's not just camping, that's full on wilderness survival.

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#77117: Jul 21st 2015 at 9:25:06 AM

I remember that video tongue

Not sure how I feel about that strategy showing up in a pro tournament, but obviously it works pretty well.

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#77118: Jul 21st 2015 at 9:35:06 AM

Dat villager be camping so long, he is gonna run out of marshmallows to roast.

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#77119: Jul 21st 2015 at 10:01:29 AM

Speaking as a big R.O.B. player, no, he can't spam projectiles, but he can quite literally keep foes at arm's length until they're ready to be used again- A lot of his basic attacks are effective pokes and his reach is pretty okay, too.

edited 21st Jul '15 10:02:56 AM by Pulse

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#77120: Jul 21st 2015 at 10:02:57 AM

Yeah, at Rotator Arms lenght!

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#77121: Jul 21st 2015 at 11:03:01 AM

Problem with my friends in Smash usually is, no matter how many times I punish them or flat out evade their spamming (like when I evade my other friend spamming spin attack as an aerial) they never learn that spamming is never a guaranteed win.

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#77122: Jul 21st 2015 at 12:24:10 PM

Something awesome just happened while playing today. I was playing as Mario on FG and was up against this Kirby. So Kirby was offstage and tried to recover using Final Cutter. The problem was, instead of recovering to the ledge, he landed on the platform. After Kirby finishes his Final Cutter attack (when he lands on the ground), he's rendered helpless if something knocks him back (a Gust Bellows, for example).

Somehow, with the right timing, I F.L.U.D.D.'d him away from existence after he landed, which netted me the win. It looked a lot like this.

F.L.U.D.D. KOs are always the most satisfying.

The moral of this story: If your character's vertical recovery is tricky to use, always, always recover to the ledge.

edited 21st Jul '15 12:29:03 PM by BurntMario

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#77123: Jul 21st 2015 at 1:00:22 PM

Way to go there, man!


So what would you say is your favorite Final Smash in the series?

For me, it would probably be Ryu's Shin Shoryuken. Most satisfying Final Smash ever...especially when it connects.

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#77124: Jul 21st 2015 at 1:04:56 PM

Favorite to use? I love tearing things up as Wario-Man. Much more fun than Giggle Bowser or most other transformation Final Smashes.

Favorite aesthetically? I do like Yoshi's, and it's deceptively powerful as well, but my favorite in that regard would probably have to be good ol' Blue Falcon.

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#77125: Jul 21st 2015 at 1:05:18 PM

[up][up]Same, along with PK Starstorm, Blue Falcon, Landmaster, Snake's Final Smash, and Super Sonic.

edited 21st Jul '15 1:05:37 PM by powerpuffbats

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