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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#76851: Jul 13th 2015 at 5:47:04 PM

I couldn't get any posts on Miiverse. I have no idea what was going on.

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Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Konknitive Dissonance
#76852: Jul 13th 2015 at 6:54:18 PM

Excuse me, Geist-Fox? Can you share that avvie with me?

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#76853: Jul 13th 2015 at 9:20:24 PM

Why is the song selection for both Street Fighter and Mega Man limited to a specific era? Street Fighter is limited to the SF 2 era (and only variations of Ryu's and Ken's themes. No Guile, Chun-Li, Cammy, or M. Bison themes), while Mega Man is limited to the NES era games (Where are 7, 8, Mega Man and Bass, 9, 10, X, Legends, Game Boy version of V, full remixes of themes from NES 4-6, Battle Network, a full remix of Bubble Man's theme?). I really don't know why this is a thing? Particularly since no other franchise in Smash is limited to a set era.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#76854: Jul 13th 2015 at 9:22:21 PM

Likely because they're one of the most iconic time periods for those franchises.

Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#76855: Jul 13th 2015 at 9:24:36 PM

I assume, like some aspects of the third-party characters themselves, that the song selection for the third-party stages is largely determined by their parent companies.

At least they picked the most iconic eras to be represented in Smash.

edited 13th Jul '15 9:25:45 PM by Customer

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#76856: Jul 13th 2015 at 9:29:19 PM

I just assumed it was a copyright thing. But i am disappointed at the lack of guile's theme.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#76857: Jul 13th 2015 at 9:30:15 PM

Yeah, I'm not gonna believe it has anything to do with "iconicness", and simply offer that it's explicitly Classic Mega Man and a Classic Mega Man stage, so they focused primarily on songs from Classic Mega Man.

And Ryu's biggest tie to Nintendo is Street Fighter II and at least some of it's various re-releases; after that game, the only thing Nintendo really got in way of Street Fighter was a 3DS port of IV. And the lack of song choice probably ties into it being DLC.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#76858: Jul 13th 2015 at 9:35:56 PM

In the midst of the immensely popular USFIV, the build-up for SFV, and the continued development of TXSF, why on earth would Capcom care about advertising II?

Sakurai's the director, and he makes the final decisions. If all of the others weren't enough of a hint, Ryu's implementation and execution makes it abundantly clear that 3rd-parties are not immune to this rule.

edited 13th Jul '15 9:38:45 PM by Demonfly

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Rivux same old me from [a jump to the sky turns to a rider kick] Since: Aug, 2010
same old me
#76859: Jul 13th 2015 at 10:52:08 PM

I had me a thought about one of Lucas' victory poses.

mario is red, i am green, i try my best, but everyone's mean
Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#76860: Jul 13th 2015 at 10:55:49 PM

I, personally, wasn't implying that Sakurai was at the mercy of these decisions or anything (assuming they happened), but even if the third parties didn't say anything about what to include and left it up to him, Sakurai decided to limit the representation to SFII for whatever reason.

On Ryu in particular, the character himself seems to have nods to more than just II (I know he has references to III and IV in his moveset), so maybe that felt like enough to just leave his stage and music representation with Street Fighter II (though I agree that Ryu's stage being DLC probably had a hand in it).note 

edited 14th Jul '15 2:14:31 PM by Customer

Geist-Fox loafing about from north Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
loafing about
#76861: Jul 14th 2015 at 4:25:04 AM

Icon should be sent now, Konk.

HeavyDDR Who's Vergo-san. from Central Texas Since: Jul, 2009
Who's Vergo-san.
#76862: Jul 14th 2015 at 4:36:15 AM

Almost definitely because Capcom gave them a specific list of songs they could and could not use. When you're dealing with third parties, there's a lot of rules you have to follow, and some of them are probably dumb but that's the decision the company made, either through vague wording or specific details.

I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#76863: Jul 14th 2015 at 5:58:08 AM

All songs that coincidentally happen to share the same source as the specific stage that Ryu's home series has apparently only ever used twice?

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#76864: Jul 14th 2015 at 6:02:58 AM

To be fair, Capcom promotes Ryu and Ken stuff the most. Hell, there's a direct Akuma reference in one of Ryu's end screens.

If they didn't want Guile's Theme in, then we aren't getting Guile's Theme. Who knows why. That said, I agree it's disappointing, but at least the regular music still sounds great.

Shadow?
HeavyDDR Who's Vergo-san. from Central Texas Since: Jul, 2009
Who's Vergo-san.
#76865: Jul 14th 2015 at 7:09:17 AM

[up][up]Yes? Wouldn't be surprised if Capcom was super safe about what rights they were giving Nintendo to play with.

I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#76866: Jul 14th 2015 at 9:50:01 AM

I notice that SEGA is the only third party company that is not really exclusive to one specific era for music representation. Namco is representing their arcade era, and I've already that Capcom limited Mega Man to NES era and SF to Street Fighter II era.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#76867: Jul 14th 2015 at 9:58:24 AM

Don't forget that the other Mega Men show up in his Final Smash, though.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#76868: Jul 14th 2015 at 9:59:48 AM

I'm talking about music representation being limited. I know Mega Man references games past the NES era in his moveset.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#76869: Jul 14th 2015 at 10:48:10 AM

Mega Man also has way more reference costumes for Mii Fighters than most of the cast- Proto Man, X and MegaMan.exe are already around, and it's a fair bet Geo and Volnutt are coming eventually, too.

... The PSX era Tekken costumes are kinda baffling, though.

I sure said that!
Geist-Fox loafing about from north Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
loafing about
#76870: Jul 14th 2015 at 10:50:46 AM

... So, did you notice that Megaman's reveal trailer is missing one weapon when showcasing his moves. Well, excluding customs.

Air Shooter, his u-air. We saw all of his other standard attacks but not that one. Odd.

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Konknitive Dissonance
#76872: Jul 14th 2015 at 2:02:38 PM

Thanks, Geist.

Geist-Fox loafing about from north Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
loafing about
#76873: Jul 14th 2015 at 2:05:21 PM

... Your icon. I like it.

And the joke didn't hit me the first time I saw it, but now....

Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Konknitive Dissonance
#76874: Jul 14th 2015 at 2:13:09 PM

Heh, now you see the pun.[lol]

I guess you'd like me to share this with you as well?

Geist-Fox loafing about from north Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
loafing about
#76875: Jul 14th 2015 at 2:14:21 PM

As well?

Who else has joined the club?

And yush.


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