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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#76151: Jun 20th 2015 at 6:24:37 AM

[up][up][up][up]You're basically saying that he adds nothing in terms of representation that Snake wouldn't.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#76152: Jun 20th 2015 at 6:37:18 AM

On the other hand, Ryu is the quintessential fighting game character (or at least one of them), and one of the games in his series was very popular in the SNES era. Add in the fact that he can use some of his staple combos to do his attacks, and there's plenty of reasons to have him in Smash (even alongside Snake).

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#76153: Jun 20th 2015 at 6:40:42 AM

He's ironically quite unique in terms of mechanics in this setting. It's borderline surreal for Ryu to be one of the more technical fighters.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#76154: Jun 20th 2015 at 6:42:49 AM

Well, Smash Bros. has simple gameplay compared to other Fighting series. Normal fish in a small pond.

edited 20th Jun '15 6:43:04 AM by MightyMatilda

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#76155: Jun 20th 2015 at 6:47:38 AM

I'm not sure I'd call Smash simpler, considering there's much more verticality and mobility in general at play in Smash than in standard fighters. It's just attacking that's a smidge more basic.

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#76156: Jun 20th 2015 at 6:49:25 AM

I'm just going to be eternally amused how Sakurai made such a big deal about ordinary fighting game characters being discouraged on the basis of originality, then throws in the most ordinary fighting game character possible in a way that prevents those claims from ever meaning anything again.

edited 20th Jun '15 6:50:24 AM by Demonfly

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#76157: Jun 20th 2015 at 6:51:22 AM

Ryu and the Tekken costumes are making me hope for some interesting stuff in the future.

I'd really love a Vyse Swordfighter costume.

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MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#76159: Jun 20th 2015 at 7:07:17 AM

Even though I fully understand the reasons why, the fact that Ryu will be banned at EVO 2015 amuses me terribly.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#76160: Jun 20th 2015 at 7:08:04 AM

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edited 20th Jun '15 7:09:16 AM by Pulse

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#76161: Jun 20th 2015 at 8:36:11 AM

Demonfly: Kinda. I say that because, as I said, the only third party characters in Smash 4 prior to Ryu were cartoony mascots. It would have been more likely that any more third party characters would be a cartoony character. Ryu means that non-cartoony third party characters could be in and not clash with the cartoonish nature of Sm4sh.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#76162: Jun 20th 2015 at 8:45:41 AM

I don't think Street Fighter's art style is much more realistic than Zelda's or Metroid's, and is right at home next to F-Zero's.

Not at the same level of Metal Gear, if you are going to that tangent.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#76163: Jun 20th 2015 at 8:58:32 AM

I don't hate to play as anyone but I don't like to fight the Pits as CP Us. They always find a way to kick my ass.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#76164: Jun 20th 2015 at 9:08:24 AM

Holy shit Roy. If that was for just the neutral b, I wonder what might've happened with the bat.

Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#76165: Jun 20th 2015 at 9:09:20 AM

Ugh, the main CPUs that give me trouble are almost all the FE characters (especially Robin) sans Ike, Sheik, and Dr. Mario, regardless of who I'm playing as. Shulk sometimes too, if only because he always tends to Vision at just the time for me to hit it and I can never bait it like I can sometimes bait the other counter-happy characters.

Incidentally, I stopped fighting level 9 CPU characters unless I'm in a team with somebody. I just don't find them fun to fight and I feel like I'm not going to really "learn" anything from them that I couldn't from a level 8 AI.

...I should really get an amiibo figure one of these days.

edited 20th Jun '15 9:09:41 AM by Customer

Alucart23 Since: Jun, 2015
#76166: Jun 20th 2015 at 9:15:39 AM

am i the only one here who wants wolf back?

id also like impa, with moves like shiek in brawl, but with subtle differences, like the whip doing a different type of damage, or the needles being one at a time, etc

Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#76167: Jun 20th 2015 at 9:20:31 AM

Roy's return to Smash (and the upcoming Star Fox Zero game) has given Wolf fans enough reason to believe that he will more than likely come back as well, so no, you aren't the only one. tongue I used Wolf over Falco in Brawl (I prefer Melee!Falco overall), so I'm hoping that he does return sometime in the future.

edited 20th Jun '15 9:21:08 AM by Customer

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#76168: Jun 20th 2015 at 9:27:06 AM

[up][up]Hey, don't forget me! I'd love it if Wolf would return...or even Krystal to be added as a newcomer.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#76169: Jun 20th 2015 at 9:39:54 AM

Roy is still me favorite of the "new" additions. Ryu is too heavy and Lucas is too light. Roy has just enough style to keep me interested.

Unrelatedly, Majora's Mask is the ONLY trophy I'm missing in the trophy boxes. And I know you get it by finding all the headwear, but that's just do random...

edited 20th Jun '15 10:16:00 AM by Keybreak

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#76170: Jun 20th 2015 at 9:39:57 AM

I wouldn't mind Wolf coming back or Krystal being playable either.


On disliked characters:

Playing against Mario (or Dr. Mario) CP Us can be a pain for someone who mains characters who use a lot of projectiles (such as Villager, Lucario, Mewtwo, and Pac Man). That #!@*$&!%(#@ cape/sheet...

In general, I really hate playing against Diddy Kong or Mr. Game and Watch CP Us, because I hate being on the receiving end of their Final Smashes.

As for characters I don't like to play as, I don't really like Zelda or Shiek. (I just can't figure Sheik out, and I just really suck at playing with Zelda.) I also found Meta Knight overrated in Brawl and I still don't really like playing with him in 4. Other than that, there aren't very many characters that I can't do reasonably well with.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#76172: Jun 20th 2015 at 10:07:17 AM

Can't see how Lucas is too light but Roy is ok when they have basically the same weight.

Also how should I train my amiibo? Making it fight a wide variety of characters or just mirror matches?

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#76173: Jun 20th 2015 at 10:11:58 AM

@Folt: Roy, Lucina, and Marth all have different gimmicks. Lucina has consistent damage everywhere. Roy hits harder at the hilt of the blade. Marth hits harder at the tip of the blade. They all play differently due to this. Lucina being shorter also eliminates her range, making her different in playstyle. Roy also has a lot less range due to the way he holds his sword.

They really don't play that much alike overall. Being a clone only really just means animations are mostly/entirely the same. Nothing more. Although to be fair, the only two that actually have the same playstyle are Pit and Dark Pit. But that was intentional anyway, as Dark Pit is a literal clone of Pit and is supposed to have the exact same capabilities(bar his Final Smash since he wouldn't make sense to use it).

@Pulse: Roy was brought back due to popularity alone. All veterans have fans. Roy was one of the highest requested. Doesn't matter if it's nostalgia since Sakurai really does care about pleasing the fans... in most cases.(poor Ridley)

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#76174: Jun 20th 2015 at 10:40:12 AM

[up][up]What I do is mirror match each amiibo until around level 10, then start having them fight other characters once I feel they're competent enough. If they start spamming, just retrain them until you notice improvement. After that, it's mostly just teaching the amiibo your playstyle.

One thing people have noted though is that amiibo should not fight Rosalina unless it is a Rosalina amiibo. Seems that the Luma causes some issues in them learning to fight properly.

edited 20th Jun '15 10:40:32 AM by strawberryflavored

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#76175: Jun 20th 2015 at 11:14:44 AM

Roy doesn't have less range. His F-Smash actually outranges Marth's for example.


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