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MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#76126: Jun 19th 2015 at 5:40:50 PM

It is, but it's not me making the joke; Lucina's Falchion is effective against Dragons, while Marth's is not.

Lucina can one-shot Ridley while Marth cannot.

The Sword of Seals/Binding Blade is effective against Dragons.

Ergo, Roy should have the same effect against Ridley as Lucina if Sakurai remembered that detail.

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#76127: Jun 19th 2015 at 5:41:51 PM

Finally got the three DLC characters along with the Kirby 64 stage! I really like Lucas and Roy, but Ryu's probably my most favorite character out of the three of them. I sense a new main on the horizon. (Especially once I stop accidentally Shoryukening myself off the stage!)

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Naspah Perpetually tired from My house in the middle of nowhere Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: Californicating
Perpetually tired
#76128: Jun 19th 2015 at 9:42:41 PM

Righto.

Also not really a tip but it helped me, to do Ryu's strong shoryuken just do it forward, down, forward, A/B.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#76129: Jun 19th 2015 at 9:53:01 PM

Out of curiosity, what characters are your least favorites throughout the entire series, guys?

I have a list:

  • Peach
  • Yoshi
  • Pikachu
  • Jigglypuff
  • Ice Climbers (though I am warming up to them a bit and wouldn't mind seeing them return. This is mostly rooted in Brawl. I wouldn't mind using them in Melee)
  • ROB
  • Rosalina and Luma
  • Pichu
  • Diddy Kong (in Brawl)

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#76130: Jun 19th 2015 at 9:54:05 PM

I really loved everyone in the games so far, like I haven't hated anyone.

...except Diddy. I like the fact that he's in the game, I just generally hate using him.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#76131: Jun 19th 2015 at 10:02:01 PM

You always got such long lists, ppb.

My least favorite has always been Lucario because he stole Mewtwo's spot and his Shadow Ball.

Never to be forgiven.

edited 19th Jun '15 10:02:13 PM by Keybreak

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Daydre That's just how it is on this bitch of an earth from in my house Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
That's just how it is on this bitch of an earth
#76132: Jun 19th 2015 at 10:03:03 PM

I don't really hate anyone.. Well, I hate playing against Little Macs and Sonics, but that's more hating the playstyle than the characters themselves.

we will survive.
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#76133: Jun 19th 2015 at 10:03:15 PM

[up][up]but now he's back, huzzah!

...and Lucario was my secondary in brawl excuse you even though i was mad as well for taking mewtwo's spot

edited 19th Jun '15 10:03:25 PM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#76134: Jun 19th 2015 at 10:27:13 PM

"Last-minute" clones as a whole, Pac-Man, Ryu, Lucas, Rosalina, Falcon, Falcondorf, Charizard, and Lucario.

Avoided going immediately into detail with all of the others because tl;dr.

edited 19th Jun '15 10:31:22 PM by Demonfly

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#76135: Jun 19th 2015 at 10:30:06 PM

Hmmm... Nothing against the characters themselves or their inclusion in smash. But there are some that I just don't like to play. Though they do seem to be better in Sm4sh than previously.

  • Donkey Kong
  • Diddy Kong
  • Olimar

Also, I've always liked Lucario better than Mewtwo tongue

edited 19th Jun '15 11:21:03 PM by BlitzTrain

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#76136: Jun 19th 2015 at 10:32:01 PM

I don't really dislike anyone. There's characters who I don't like to play as (Sonic and Palutena, mainly), and some that I don't like to fight (Fox, Falco, and AI-controlled Marths, mainly), but none whose inclusion in the game I bemoan.

edited 19th Jun '15 10:32:18 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#76137: Jun 19th 2015 at 10:36:27 PM

I have no least favorites. Though I have no idea what that means in this case; are we judging based on who's on the playable roster or are we just listing the ones we personally don't like to play as (due to not liking a character's playstyle or whatnot)?

In either case, my opinion would be the same. Anyone whose has playstyle that I can't get into is just someone I haven't practiced enough with yet. tongue

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#76138: Jun 19th 2015 at 10:55:53 PM

There aren't any characters I dislike for their inclusion. I just either don't care to pick them up or find them annoying to fight against.

I find fights against (a good) Falcon, both Samuses, Rosalina & Luma, Duck Hunt, R.O.B., Villager on occasion, Yoshi, Little Mac, and Mewtwo rather tedious, though.

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rjsulll Since: Jun, 2015
#76139: Jun 19th 2015 at 10:56:45 PM

Did you hear? Roy and Ryu are DLC! And Ryu has 2 final smashes!

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#76140: Jun 19th 2015 at 10:58:48 PM

-Hands rjsulll the Slowpoke doll-

Yes, yes we did. You also forgot Lucas, multiple Mii costumes, and two courses.

Shadow?
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#76141: Jun 19th 2015 at 10:59:36 PM

[up][up][up][up]Pretty sure he just meant in general. Hence Peach being the very first mention.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#76142: Jun 19th 2015 at 11:06:10 PM

Roy's return is slightly troubling to me, since I can promise it wasn't a favor for Fire Emblem fans, but it's still pretty "meh" for me, and I will never be a fan of including multiple incarnations of what is fundamentally the same character, so I'm also not keen on Toon Link, but I otherwise am cool with everyone who's around.

Haven't been able to play Pikachu for beans since Melee, though.

edited 19th Jun '15 11:06:32 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#76143: Jun 19th 2015 at 11:18:58 PM

Roy was heavily luigified and doesn't play like Marth or Lucina. He shares some moves, but many animations, range, and otherwise are rather different. Even his Final Smash works very differently(it has technically more range since it creates a circle around him to hit an enemy, but he doesn't move until he would hit the enemy alone). Since he has to hit at the hilt of his blade, and he has less range overall, he has to be played extremely differently(even more than Lucina to Marth), and he even holds his weapon in a different manner(he holds it backwards now).

And Marth and Lucina don't really play all that alike, despite sharing the same customs/animations. Their gimmicks make them very different in playstyle overall. Lucina also has less range due to her height.

Shadow?
DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#76144: Jun 19th 2015 at 11:28:25 PM

I'm not fond of Dr. Mario or Dark Pit, for obvious reasons, even though I really enjoyed the games they come from.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#76145: Jun 19th 2015 at 11:32:28 PM

I'm probably weird in that I love Lucina and Dark Pit. And Doc to some extent.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#76146: Jun 19th 2015 at 11:50:06 PM

I'd have preferred the Doc as an alternate costume. And I'd probably be okay with Pittoo if he played a bit more differently than regular Pit. I'm not a Fire Emblem fan, but from what I've heard about Lucina, the way she's implemented is pretty clever, and I've got nothing against her.

That said, it's no big deal that there's a few characters I don't want in the game. The game's been out for like, half a year, and I'm still excited that Little Mac and Mega Man made it in. Pac-Man and Ryu? Even better!

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#76147: Jun 20th 2015 at 12:16:56 AM

I want to go over what Ryu being in Smash 4 represents now:

Prior to that, there were only 3 third-party characters in the game: Pac Man, Mega Man, and Sonic the Hedgehog. All of them are very cartoony mascots. Prior to Ryu's reveal, it would've been more likely that a cartoony third party character would've been DLC. Like Shovel Knight, Shantae, Patty Wagon from Mighty Switch Force, Rayman, Ni GH Ts, Klonoa, Tails, Knuckles are examples of cartoony third party characters that could be seen as more likely third party candidates prior to Ryu's reveal.

Ryu is not a very cartoony third party character. Him being in the game could mean that third party characters that aren't very cartoony could appear as DLC. This could mean that Snake returns, while also meaning that we could see Simon Belmont, Bayonetta, Scorpion, Nightmare, Sora, Dante, or Travis Touchdown in the game (of course, Bayonetta, Scorpion, Dante, and Travis would have to be toned down).

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#76148: Jun 20th 2015 at 12:28:20 AM

Roy was heavily luigified and doesn't play like Marth or Lucina. He shares some moves, but many animations, range, and otherwise are rather different. Even his Final Smash works very differently(it has technically more range since it creates a circle around him to hit an enemy, but he doesn't move until he would hit the enemy alone). Since he has to hit at the hilt of his blade, and he has less range overall, he has to be played extremely differently(even more than Lucina to Marth), and he even holds his weapon in a different manner(he holds it backwards now).
Ah, I'm not complaining about his mechanical implementation, more that he returned despite being the most widely-disliked Lord among Fire Emblem fans entirely because of his advertising-based inclusion in Melee.

Again, it's not even really a complaint, just more a "I don't see why I should be excited".

edited 20th Jun '15 12:29:44 AM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#76149: Jun 20th 2015 at 1:26:17 AM

Roy was heavily luigified and doesn't play like Marth or Lucina. He shares some moves, but many animations, range, and otherwise are rather different. Even his Final Smash works very differently(it has technically more range since it creates a circle around him to hit an enemy, but he doesn't move until he would hit the enemy alone). Since he has to hit at the hilt of his blade, and he has less range overall, he has to be played extremely differently(even more than Lucina to Marth), and he even holds his weapon in a different manner(he holds it backwards now).

And Marth and Lucina don't really play all that alike, despite sharing the same customs/animations. Their gimmicks make them very different in playstyle overall. Lucina also has less range due to her height.

While you're correct about Roy, Lucina's playstyle is not different from Marth, maybe needing to be a bit more defensively-minded since her attacks aren't safer on shield, and I'd argue that Lucina doesn't even have a gimmick anymore now that Roy is back.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#76150: Jun 20th 2015 at 6:20:33 AM

1. Roy - Hype-backlash. He's just a worse version of Marth, so I could never understand his popularity.

2. Lucina - Also a worse version of Marth.

3. Young/Toon Link - So much wasted potential for non-clonage,and he isn't that interesting.

4. 64!Pikachu/Melee!Fox/Brawl!Meta SSB 4!Diddy Kong - Yep, I hate whoever's on the top.

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