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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#75526: Jun 12th 2015 at 6:32:45 PM

Making Dark Pit separate hits none, especially since the developers found the time to make Dr. Mario and Lucina before him too.

Citation? We were already clued in on Dank Pit long before either of those two were known additions.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#75527: Jun 12th 2015 at 6:35:53 PM

Pittoo, Lucina and Doc were confirmed to have been originally alt costumes that were given their own character slots "last minute". That trailer might have referenced Pittoo as an alt.

edited 12th Jun '15 6:36:17 PM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#75528: Jun 12th 2015 at 6:51:20 PM

Heard about Lucina becoming a 'clone' instead of an alt last minute. Didn't realize Dark Pit and Dr Mario were. Especially since Dr Mario has been his own fighter before.

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#75529: Jun 12th 2015 at 7:19:29 PM

Poor Samus, they made her Up-Smash not connect properly yet Mii Gunner's works perfectly fine.

strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#75530: Jun 12th 2015 at 7:33:51 PM

I'm pretty sure Samus has always been like that. I mained Samus for a while, and remember many times where that just didn't perform as well as other up-smashes.

Also, people are noting that the background for the Smash announcement on Sunday has become red and black. Could mean something, could mean nothing.

Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Konknitive Dissonance
#75531: Jun 12th 2015 at 7:46:16 PM

One thing's for sure;

It looks cool.

CapedLuigisYoshi Some Gal from right here, duh Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Some Gal
#75532: Jun 12th 2015 at 7:49:36 PM

[up][up] Red and black?

Shadow the Hedgehog confirmed.

a.k.a. Cly, that one girl who doesn't post here much anymore Something something YI = SMW 2 = SMB 5.
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#75533: Jun 12th 2015 at 7:51:21 PM

My dad works at Nintendo and he showed me how to unlock Shadow in Smash 4.

"We're home, Chewie."
Daydre That's just how it is on this bitch of an earth from in my house Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
That's just how it is on this bitch of an earth
#75534: Jun 12th 2015 at 7:53:34 PM

-insert ow the edge joke here-

we will survive.
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#75535: Jun 12th 2015 at 7:54:26 PM

[up][up]Yeah, it's called use him as an Assist Trophy.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#75536: Jun 12th 2015 at 8:03:11 PM

Alfonzo: "Leave it to me!"

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#75537: Jun 12th 2015 at 8:57:19 PM

[up][up][up]Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#75538: Jun 12th 2015 at 8:59:39 PM

I'd be cool with them just including the less-deviating clones (like Lucina over Dr. Mario) as costumes, but retaining the minor gameplay changes, to reduce clutter. Like, the Koopalings could have some minor statistical differences, but they wouldn't merit eight slots.

And unrelated, I'd be down for Chrom as an Ike pseudoclone.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#75539: Jun 12th 2015 at 9:01:28 PM

Any statistical difference merits a slot because that changes how they play however minutely. All costumes must play exactly the same.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#75540: Jun 12th 2015 at 9:09:51 PM

Fairly sure there's a good number of established fighting games that would like to disagree with that sentiment.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#75541: Jun 12th 2015 at 9:13:05 PM

Smash isn't one of those.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#75542: Jun 12th 2015 at 9:39:06 PM

I think Chrom and Ms Pac Man should have alt skins.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Eskay64 Since: Nov, 2010
#75543: Jun 12th 2015 at 10:35:25 PM

I was so incredibly disappointed that Ms. Pac wasn't an alt for Pac Man.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#75544: Jun 12th 2015 at 11:13:24 PM

[up]All it takes is to add a bow to Pac-Man...

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#75545: Jun 12th 2015 at 11:21:22 PM

Considering how mediocre some of his costumes are... that'd be kind of nice.

Sonic's aren't much better. Only Mega Man(and Snake in Brawl) had some really unique colors/costumes. Sonic's neatest one, imo, was his dark colors.

Shadow?
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#75546: Jun 12th 2015 at 11:29:23 PM

[up]They could've at least given Sonic colors to resemble his friends. Like all it takes to make him resemble Knuckles is to color him red.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#75547: Jun 12th 2015 at 11:36:18 PM

My guess is that Sakurai could only do what Sega allowed. He still has to conform to what they say. It's not his character to do whatever with overall. He's very likely given only so much to work with. Even paying for Sonic doesn't guarantee he can do "anything he wants", since they still need to approve of any changes. My guess is they don't want Sonic to represent most characters via costumes. He only got literally one representation by having Silver's colors at best(albeit, 06 is shown in some way, so that might be why). The other characters are trophies or assist trophies now. And I don't know if Tails/Knuckles/Silver still show up on the 3DS Green Hill Zone. I haven't played it in a while.

Shadow?
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#75548: Jun 12th 2015 at 11:40:05 PM

But seriously. Chrom as Ike with Marth's reach and speed. Eh?

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#75549: Jun 13th 2015 at 1:16:22 AM

Heard about Lucina becoming a 'clone' instead of an alt last minute. Didn't realize Dark Pit and Dr Mario were. Especially since Dr Mario has been his own fighter before.

When the time came for making some of the alts into Moveset Clones, Dr. Mario was among those chosen because Sakurai and the team felt that having him be just an alt would be unfair to those who played as him in Melee. I'm inclined to agree.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#75550: Jun 13th 2015 at 1:59:12 AM

The unusual events surrounding F.L.U.D.D. and Doc Tornado also go a ways to justify his inclusion. Of everyone with similarities to other characters, he's the only one I think should just stay Mario with quirks and a Tornado move instead of either branching out or collapsing into an alt.

I sure said that!

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