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Paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#75451: Jun 11th 2015 at 8:16:20 AM

Sakurai calls bullshit on "Sakurai bias", at least in terms of character balance.

I look forward to people weeding through the post and making up things Sakurai never said to disprove it.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#75452: Jun 11th 2015 at 8:41:00 AM

Apparently, some Smash Bros. players out there are frustrated at the strength of characters like Kirby and Pit

I already know this will be a fun read

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BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#75453: Jun 11th 2015 at 8:43:01 AM

One possible reason that players think that Sakurai plays favorites with his characters is the fact that one of Kirby’s special attacks where he transforms into a rock to drop on other players is relatively powerful and easy for beginner players to use.

Never thought I'd see that used as a reason for bias

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#75454: Jun 11th 2015 at 8:47:29 AM

Sakurai did not create Kid Icarus.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#75455: Jun 11th 2015 at 8:48:34 AM

It's like the writer didn't want to mention Meta Knight (or, perhaps, SSB 64-Kirby) for whatever reason.

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#75456: Jun 11th 2015 at 8:49:33 AM

[up][up][up]Because no sane individual would use that as a reason for bias?

I honestly have no clue why either side would want to hold this under scrutiny; all the interview is comprised of is Sakurai completely misreading (and/or possibly dodging) his criticisms with the easiest possible tangent to shoo it off with.

Additionally, it's a Kotaku article. Don't.

[up][up]He created Uprising, and that's clearly good enough.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#75457: Jun 11th 2015 at 8:54:46 AM

Sakurai completely misreading (and/or possibly dodging) his criticisms

No, people have made the exact accusations that Sakurai has mentioned. I've read a couple blog posts from people who use Meta Knight's strength in Brawl as if it were undeniable proof of Sakurai's bias.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#75458: Jun 11th 2015 at 8:55:27 AM

He didn't create countering, and I hate that way more than Stone.

I do believe though that he gave preference to his characters in the Subspace Emissary. He pits Mario against Kirby instead of Link, and Pit is watching them, making them early starters.

But that's my take on it.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#75459: Jun 11th 2015 at 9:08:04 AM

I absolutely believe Sakurai doesn't have bias towards his favorites in regards to character balance.

Selection, however, is another story at times- But to some extent, that's just the name of the game.

I sure said that!
Ukokira Since: May, 2012
#75460: Jun 11th 2015 at 9:09:36 AM

Feck.

I forgot to check whether it was Kotaku before clicking it.

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Too hot to hoot
#75461: Jun 11th 2015 at 9:10:06 AM

@Keybreak: Regarding your point about Pit watching the fight between Mario and Kirby at the start of SSE, had development for Uprising even started when Brawl came out?

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#75462: Jun 11th 2015 at 9:16:57 AM

[up]I doubt it, though Pit was revived because of Brawl.

If anything, the bias in Subspace shows because Dedede is the main hero, Kirby destroys the gunship, The Halberd plays a key role in the story, Kirby and Dedede revive the cast (barring Sonic, Luigi, and Ness), Meta Knight saves Lucas and Pokemon Trainer from death.

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NesClassic Meh-meh!? from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
Meh-meh!?
#75463: Jun 11th 2015 at 9:24:38 AM

For the record, Mario and Kirby fought at the very beginning of SSE because that's how it went down in SSB64's intro.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#75464: Jun 11th 2015 at 9:28:32 AM

Though it is a bit odd that Kirby, King Dedede and the Halberd all ended up being as pivotal to the plot as they were. Aside from R.O.B., those are the three most important elements in the plot of the game that weren't part of the Original Generation, and R.O.B. is given so much backstory specific to the setting that he's more or less a new character anyway.

edited 11th Jun '15 9:29:22 AM by Pulse

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#75465: Jun 11th 2015 at 9:55:44 AM

[up]I still don't get why most of the enemies in Subspace were Original Generation mooks and not, like, 50% Nintendo mooks and 50% OG mooks.

I still remember my friend ranting over my criticism of Subspace, because she was like "They wanted to use ORIGINAL enemies. It wouldn't make sense for Zelda and Metroid enemies to be in levels starring Link and Samus unless they took place in Hyrule or Zebes." (That still shows her lack of Metroid knowledge...because Fusion EASILY rebukes that statement. Plus, she also didn't say that having Bowser's koopa army in the levels starring DK, Diddy, or Mario doesn't make sense.)

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#75466: Jun 11th 2015 at 10:41:31 AM

King Dedede secretly being a good guy does make sense considering he has pulled that kind of thing in his home series at points.

The Halberd was just a conveniently big airship I guess.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#75467: Jun 11th 2015 at 10:51:32 AM

In a crossover of series with dozens of conveniently big airships.

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strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#75468: Jun 11th 2015 at 10:52:27 AM

Only other giant ship they could've used was the Great Fox. And that wouldn't really work the same as the Halberd.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#75469: Jun 11th 2015 at 10:59:45 AM

Bowser and the Koopa army are right there, for starters. They could have just as easily used his pirate fleet (that would go on to be reused for Galaxy anyway) if they wanted a relatively random Nintendo-themed flight raid (Certainly would have been a better place to keep that meaningless giant Petey Pirahna trophy).

And if they wanted to keep the story more consistent and not have it Nintendo-themed, then that gunship thing would have really enjoyed some action beyond one single "reward" cutscene.

edited 11th Jun '15 11:06:26 AM by Demonfly

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Paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#75470: Jun 11th 2015 at 11:03:39 AM

I've said it before and Ill say it again: Considering how many franchises and characters (most of which either don't or can't talk) they had to work into the story, I think they did the best job they could with what they had.

Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#75471: Jun 11th 2015 at 11:03:57 AM

Bowser doesn't have anything as distinctive as the Halberd. A memorable stage like that seems like a better choice to me than Random Airship #978.

edited 11th Jun '15 11:06:32 AM by Perseus

Paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#75472: Jun 11th 2015 at 11:07:32 AM

Also they already had the Halberd modeled.

BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#75473: Jun 11th 2015 at 11:18:20 AM

The Halberd has been pretty much my favorite stage from any Kirby game period, so I really liked having it in SSE and having it as a playable stage in Brawl. Just wish it was in 3DS too...

And if you're talking about the base/weapon thing Ganon was using, it made sense to me that it wasn't from an existing Nintendo series. That just highlighted the point that the invasion was being influenced from outside forces.

edited 11th Jun '15 11:19:01 AM by BlitzTrain

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#75474: Jun 11th 2015 at 11:23:26 AM

Bowser already has the most presence in the plot out of all the villains, replacing the Halberd with the pirate ships would be just overkill.

edited 11th Jun '15 11:23:36 AM by FullMoon

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#75475: Jun 11th 2015 at 11:28:29 AM

Yeah, Sakurai doesn't bias when it comes to character strengths. Brawl Meta Knight was probably more unfortunate coincidence than him deliberately making him the most powerful thing on the planet.

Now, character selection (Dark Pit) and prominence (Subspace Emissary) are more debatable.

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