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Kuroxeng Moved accounts because meh from error 040 Since: Mar, 2015
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#75226: Jun 4th 2015 at 7:02:53 PM

I'm pretty sure Nabbit is much easier to break free from than Beetle or Galaga.

Plus he likes to run half across the stage when he catches someone, and in a free for all that often means he gets smacked enough to release his catch.

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HeavyDDR Who's Vergo-san. from Central Texas Since: Jul, 2009
Who's Vergo-san.
#75227: Jun 4th 2015 at 7:18:26 PM

But the Ultimate Chimera is a one-hit kill (without very lucky teching), and pops up randomly, and in the dense areas where combat will happen. The other problem with New Pork is the sheer amount of space, making it almost impossible for low-mobility characters (like Ganondorf and Link) to even access half the stage.

Speaking of hazards, I would love that, if in the next game, they offer a stage choice that's in between regular and omega - something that just turns off the major hazards, maybe shrinks the stage a bit, and remove walkaways. But that's maybe hoping for too much.

I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#75228: Jun 4th 2015 at 7:40:09 PM

[up][up][up][up] I think their issue with Lylat might be because it's essentially another Battlefield. Though I love Lylat Cruise and Battlefield. And the tilting never screwed me over.

I wonder how they'd react had I chosen either Mushroom Kingdom U or Pac Land. Like none of my friends are good at navigating around Pac Land yet I can navigate it easily. Playing a shitload of 2D platformers from 2012-2014 probably helped.

edited 4th Jun '15 7:40:35 PM by powerpuffbats

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Kuroxeng Moved accounts because meh from error 040 Since: Mar, 2015
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#75229: Jun 4th 2015 at 7:46:01 PM

Pac Land isn't terrible, but sometimes there is Depth Deception / Depth Perplexion with some of the edges.

Combined with no grabbable ledges, this can get troublesome.

And fuck the canyon part. Just fuck it. The rest of the stage is passable, but fuck those canyons.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#75230: Jun 4th 2015 at 7:47:06 PM

Heh heh, Pacland...

When I'm alone, I prefer the more static stages, but when I play with somebody else, I like the ones that move. Nobody else ever knows how to navigate them.

Did you notice that in Orbital Gate, when a missile slams into the station, there are two small spaced out explosions that signal when it's going to blow up.

CPU's never know that, but it helps to be aware of when you're fighting humans.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#75231: Jun 4th 2015 at 7:48:08 PM

Pacland could've definitely used not being as small as it is. I always feel the camera is just far too close there.

edited 4th Jun '15 7:48:27 PM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#75232: Jun 4th 2015 at 7:51:29 PM

[up][up][up]I can jump at the canyon part just fine.

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Kuroxeng Moved accounts because meh from error 040 Since: Mar, 2015
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#75233: Jun 4th 2015 at 7:53:13 PM

It's not the jumping by itself. It's that every player has become those Goddamn Bats during that part.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#75234: Jun 4th 2015 at 7:54:25 PM

[up]I tend to ignore other human/CPU players at that part.

I usually focus on platforming when I play on Pac Land.

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Eskay64 Since: Nov, 2010
#75235: Jun 4th 2015 at 7:59:11 PM

My problem with Pac Land is that it took the spot that could have been used for a Pac Man World series stage. I will never not be bitter about that.

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#75236: Jun 4th 2015 at 8:01:26 PM

Waitwaitwait...

You can break free from Nabbit?! How do you do that?

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#75237: Jun 4th 2015 at 8:07:21 PM

Shake the stick and button mash like crazy until you break free. Works for Beetle, Boss Galaga, and grabs as well.

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#75238: Jun 4th 2015 at 8:16:10 PM

Not very well though...

I think you're held captive longer if your damage is higher.

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Kuroxeng Moved accounts because meh from error 040 Since: Mar, 2015
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#75239: Jun 4th 2015 at 8:27:56 PM

That is true.

Either I have never been nabbed at higher damage, or Nabbit's sack is easy to escape.

edited 4th Jun '15 8:28:15 PM by Kuroxeng

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#75240: Jun 4th 2015 at 8:31:24 PM

I just really dislike Nabbit for being a somewhat arbitrary yet potential huge hazard on a stage that otherwise has a ton going for it as a general-play arena, y'know? The layouts are cool, and the icicles and waterspouts are telegraphed and not nearly as much of dealbreaker as Nabbit is.

I sure said that!
Kuroxeng Moved accounts because meh from error 040 Since: Mar, 2015
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#75241: Jun 4th 2015 at 8:32:11 PM

You can also KO Nabbit.

Doesn't net you any points though.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#75242: Jun 4th 2015 at 8:42:39 PM

Isn't Ridley the only one that does anyway(give you points)? What I got from the interview is that Sakurai tried to make him playable. Since he's the only noted potential player character that even has things like Smash Attacks and what is effectively a Final Smash(Meta Ridley), it'd make sense why he's added to the KO count. As for why the odd icon instead of one that looks like the Smash 4 Ridley you face, and not something similar to his Brawl self, clearly he didn't get that far to have a matching head icon.

I do agree it was also a fairly decent compromise. At least an attempt was implied to be there, and he gave us a really cool hazard that was almost like a full character. Never mind him becoming your ally, which while that happens with Magicant, Flying Man isn't added to your KO counter nor does much more than an attack or two. Annoying, sure, but not to the same level of work Ridley is. I also liked that Xander fully said Metal Face and our dragon friend's name like major characters. That was a great part of the Direct(the -over- 50 facts one).

edited 4th Jun '15 8:46:13 PM by Irene

Shadow?
Kuroxeng Moved accounts because meh from error 040 Since: Mar, 2015
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#75243: Jun 5th 2015 at 4:48:02 AM

Yes, Ridley is the only stage hazard you can KO for a point.

Nabbit, Yellow Devil and Metal face give you nothing.

... Well, YD and MF give you an explosion to toss your foes into.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#75244: Jun 5th 2015 at 4:58:22 AM

Huh. The Cutting Room Floor(which is a beta information website) found an icon for Metal Face as well. Meaning that Sakurai at one point likely planned for the same thing with that stage hazard.

I wonder why only Ridley got that pleasure. Maybe because you could temporarily control him? He becomes an assist character for a while, so I guess he's more important to the battle than a general hazard, and even has a player icon. But that doesn't make much sense alone, as so do Assist Trophies/Pokeball Pokemon, and some of each can be KO'd. Yet they don't get that pleasure. It's weird.

Shadow?
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#75246: Jun 5th 2015 at 7:49:31 AM

so that's what happened

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#75247: Jun 5th 2015 at 8:19:19 AM

Tch. So much for my Mother 3 hopes. Well at least Lucas is finally coming back to us.

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#75249: Jun 5th 2015 at 8:38:54 AM

Lucas has a Duster outfit

Oh my god they really gave Lucas some love in the costume department.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#75250: Jun 5th 2015 at 8:52:01 AM

I hope we don't have to pay for Miiverse. I could pay for Lucas, but I want to fight to all those songs...

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay

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