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BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#74576: May 18th 2015 at 5:13:52 PM

I think Smash Run is better because it still provides the Kirby-esque gameplay that Subspace did and is much shorter and faster paced to boot. It still takes place in a rather neutral setting, but it's balanced out by the loads of enemies from Nintendo franchises and then some. Even the return of a few of the SSE enemies didn't matter thanks to the presence of baddies such as Eggrobos, Mettaurs, Plasma Wisps, Stalfoses, the works.

On another note, I'll add both Samuses on the "extremely annoying to fight" camp. Spamus because of, well, spamming, and ZSS because of that neutral B + down throw + up air + up B combo that always gets me for whatever reason.

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#74577: May 18th 2015 at 5:45:46 PM

I did like SSE, too. It has it's flaws, but it's still reasonably fun. IMO, it's better when you play with another person.

Smash Run, I think, is a worthy successor. The only gripe I have about it some of the enemies (especially the Plasma Wisps) occasionally being rather cheap. That and the Ornes.

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#74578: May 18th 2015 at 5:54:57 PM

I thought the SSE was alright. I didn't find the platforming that bad, and I thought some of the OG enemies were pretty cool (especially Galleom), though some enemies from the existing franchises besides Mario would have been nice. There were obviously some things that could have improved it (step 1: remove The Great Maze), but I thought it did well enough for a first attempt. Hopefully we'll get a better story mode in Smash 5.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#74579: May 18th 2015 at 5:55:37 PM

but cutscenes

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#74580: May 18th 2015 at 5:56:31 PM

[up]Oh yeah, the cutscenes were awesome too.

Eskay64 Since: Nov, 2010
#74581: May 18th 2015 at 6:02:21 PM

...Am I the only one who liked The Great Maze? Maybe it's my Kirby And The Amazing Mirror fanboy speaking, but I rather liked the Metroidvania aspect of it.

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#74582: May 18th 2015 at 6:02:53 PM

Huh, so one of my matches ended up getting featured in another Smash Bros channel:

Skip to 5:55

edited 18th May '15 6:03:40 PM by FullMoon

Paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#74583: May 18th 2015 at 6:03:07 PM

I think that cutscene excuse is PR talk for "we heard people didn't really like this that much so we're just not gonna do it this time"

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#74584: May 18th 2015 at 6:04:09 PM

[up][up][up]I liked it, but it suffers a lot from coming after an already very long set of linear levels. I'd have preferred it if it were just one or the other.

[up][up]You keep taking us calling you one of the best around like a mere compliment when I'm pretty sure we're all very much just stating facts.

edited 18th May '15 6:05:20 PM by Pulse

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#74585: May 18th 2015 at 6:06:32 PM

[up][up][up][up]It would have been fine on its own, but due to the fact that it's near entirely reused parts of the past levels, it's just a lazy way to pad it out.

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#74586: May 18th 2015 at 6:30:27 PM

I like how the guy commentating through my match was secretly rooting for me tongue

BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#74587: May 18th 2015 at 6:37:24 PM

@SSE: I loved it the first time, in part because it was all shiny and new and I really liked the adventure mode from what little I played of Melee. My only real complaint was that it started to drag on for a bit. But I haven't played it in forever

I did like the great maze though, at least in my experience the fact it was made from all the bits that were sucked into Subspace made it pretty cool. And you could save and come back later at any point in the stage helped compared to all the other levels were you had to finish it in one sitting.

Smash run makes a great replacement on SSE, and it does it's job pretty good. Though that 5 minute timer never seems to give me enough time to do what I want...

[up]I noticed, that was kinda funny how he tacked that on there right at the end tongue

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#74588: May 18th 2015 at 6:37:31 PM

My issues with Subspace are that it's boring and not really inspired. It's too long to be acceptable (like, the last level should have been the Subspace level with Kirby, and then we get the cutscene with Sonic). I do agree that it should have used actual Nintendo mooks (like, Ganondorf and Ridley would also have minions to spare, and surprisingly Kirby enemies are absent (I can get why Waddle Dees and Waddle Doos couldn't be enemies, but any other Kirby enemy would've worked).

So, my friend's in the minority when it comes to her opinions favoring the Original Generation mooks over using actual Nintendo mooks in Subspace?

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#74589: May 18th 2015 at 6:48:03 PM

I personally liked the Subspace Army's designs and how they fought, but they should've been fighting alongside more than just the most basic of Bowser's forces. Like, in any given stage, it'd have been nice to see about 80% classic foes and 20% Subspace originals.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#74590: May 18th 2015 at 7:01:23 PM

I found it odd that Ridley was fought twice while at the same time there were no Zelda bosses. Freaking Mother got one, but Zelda was left empty. There wasn't even a proper fight against Ganondorf.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#74591: May 18th 2015 at 7:09:01 PM

I think Sakurai might not be the biggest Zelda fan. Heck, the series hasn't had any new characters since Melee.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#74592: May 18th 2015 at 7:09:22 PM

Unless you count Toon Link.

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#74593: May 18th 2015 at 7:12:09 PM

There's been quite a few Assists and items from the series added, to be fair.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#74594: May 18th 2015 at 7:13:42 PM

[up][up]He fills the exact same niche as Young Link, though, down to getting his Fire Arrows in 4. Plus, y'know, it's still Link.

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#74595: May 18th 2015 at 7:18:18 PM

If you think about it, if you were to count Toon Link as a new character from Young Link, you could technically also count Link as a new character from Link. Because Link in Melee and 64 was the Hero of Time, but Link in Brawl and 4 is TP!Link. Same goes for Zelda.

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#74596: May 18th 2015 at 7:26:10 PM

There is an Awkward Zombie comic very relevant to this conversation, but I can't remember which one...

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#74597: May 18th 2015 at 7:34:54 PM

[up] You mean this one?

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Kuroxeng Moved accounts because meh from error 040 Since: Mar, 2015
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#74598: May 18th 2015 at 7:36:49 PM

That is indeed the one.

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#74600: May 18th 2015 at 7:47:29 PM

Cold calculation or lucky guess? Either way, still frikin' awesome.

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