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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#73926: Apr 29th 2015 at 5:35:53 PM

Who's most godly?

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#73928: Apr 29th 2015 at 5:40:44 PM

Tabuu was retconned out of existence, Core is just Master Hand's random Diabolus ex Machina, and Sakurai in-universe would probably just be Dedede.

So obviously the answer is Giga Bowser

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#73929: Apr 29th 2015 at 5:41:57 PM

I wouldn't call Tabuu retconned. Just defeated and hiding out in Subspace.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Eskay64 Since: Nov, 2010
#73930: Apr 29th 2015 at 5:44:09 PM

Tabuu's just waiting for Massive Hero Sack of Rye to give him an appearance in the roster.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#73931: Apr 29th 2015 at 5:45:41 PM

[up][up]With not so much as a trophy to his name.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#73932: Apr 29th 2015 at 5:52:20 PM

Nothing in Brawl was really retconned, just not mentioned if it didn't have to be. There was no point in mentioning Snake if they couldn't secure the rights to make him playable too. Waste of money for a previous Smash 3rd party character. Some stuff was removed, namely items/characters/courses, but what does that have to do with the story itself? We saw the shadow bugs returning when it came to the Hands, so doesn't that make the Brawl story even more canon?

Shadow?
Eskay64 Since: Nov, 2010
#73933: Apr 29th 2015 at 6:05:44 PM

Irene: They're talking about a Cosmic Retcon. At the end of Subspace Emissary, Tabuu ceases to exist. Not "Sakurai said that didn't happen" or anything like that. I'm not saying it's true, because I don't remember if that's really what happened, but you're interpreting their comments incorrectly.

And besides, it was a joke.

edited 29th Apr '15 6:20:13 PM by Eskay64

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#73934: Apr 29th 2015 at 6:14:13 PM

[up][up]...Except the Hands never had anything to do with the Shadow Bugs directly? I mean, if G&W of all things can be spoofed up as a source then I guess virtually anything's possible, but there's no given reason to believe that Master Hand's been dipping into it as well.

Looking into it further, Master Core's substance is explained as being the Swarm, and even looks entirely different (or at least as far as spooky darkness baby powder can be different).

I'll concede that retconned was a bit of a loaded word for a half-joking response, but the point remains that Tabuu is entirely irrelevant to 4, regardless (or perhaps in spite) of his role beforehand.

edited 29th Apr '15 6:16:04 PM by Demonfly

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Eskay64 Since: Nov, 2010
#73935: Apr 29th 2015 at 6:16:18 PM

edited 29th Apr '15 6:16:32 PM by Eskay64

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#73936: Apr 29th 2015 at 6:24:15 PM

Pretty sure those are shadow bugs as is. They looked practically the same and more or less act the same.

Anyway, now I get what you mean, the cosmic retcon. Yeah, that's happened in more than one franchise(06, for instance). I don't think we've seen any real proof of that either, though. It'd be nice if it was made more clear, but it's too vague.

Shadow?
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#73937: Apr 29th 2015 at 6:30:31 PM

Maybe the Master Hand who's a boss in Smash 4 isn't the real Master Hand, just a Shadow Bug copy. MH did die in SSE, after all.

"We're home, Chewie."
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#73938: Apr 29th 2015 at 6:30:54 PM

I'd very much contend how much this looks, behaves, or is even intended to be this.

I'm all for wild mass guess in normal circumstances, but you'd think that Sakurai would at least bother to make the connections much more apparent if they were supposed to be one and the same. Not even the Fortress fodder look like anything from SSE.

[up]He certainly seems benevolent enough to just up and start a rewards service for interested fighters - including Game & Watch - for a copy of some dead thing.

edited 29th Apr '15 6:34:37 PM by Demonfly

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#73939: Apr 29th 2015 at 6:41:44 PM

Might I remind everyone that ROB's Boxing Ring title is "Last of His Kind"?

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Eskay64 Since: Nov, 2010
#73940: Apr 29th 2015 at 6:44:24 PM

There are really a ton of references to Subspace Emissary in Smash 4. ROB's Boxing Ring title, Mario's Palutena's Guidance, G&W's Palutena's Guidance...

TheHeroHartmut Too hot to hoot from Probably not right behind you (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Singularity
Too hot to hoot
#73941: Apr 29th 2015 at 6:46:34 PM

[up][up] Only in the US version. In the European English version, it's 'Robotic Obliteration Buddy'.

edited 29th Apr '15 6:55:58 PM by TheHeroHartmut

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kablammin45 Catch my shiny metal birb! from Misty Brook (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Catch my shiny metal birb!
#73942: Apr 29th 2015 at 6:56:50 PM

On the subject of customs, I don't really use them in normal Smash mode. I will use them in Smash Run though.

"I'm glad I don't wear shoes or else I'd have to always get shoes in two different sizes. ...If you know, you know!"
BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#73943: Apr 29th 2015 at 7:11:29 PM

wild mass guessThe hands in charge of Master and Crazy orders are the real things, the hands you fight are the copies. They are paying you to kill their cloneswild mass guess

(Not that I've played Wii-U version)

Paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#73944: Apr 29th 2015 at 7:16:45 PM

Huh, I thought the swarm was referred to as "shadow bugs" on Miiverse by Sakurai but I double checked and they weren't.

Still, they're similar enough to generate moderately decent fanfic fuel.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#73945: Apr 29th 2015 at 7:18:54 PM

Shadow bugs are the purple dust Tabuu drops that are made from/make up(?) Mr. Game and Watch.

The swarm is all the black stuff surrounding Master Core.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#73946: Apr 29th 2015 at 7:19:54 PM

That and there are Mites and Roturrets in Smash Run.

The legend has returned.
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#73947: Apr 29th 2015 at 7:45:09 PM

The shadow bugs aren't gone or the swarm created similar versions of the SSE enemies, then? Both are possible. Or the swarm is one and the same.

Shadow?
Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#73948: Apr 30th 2015 at 3:11:29 AM

Mewtwo is not added to Events (except as a selectable character for certain events). Notably, it means he sits out of the event where you and a partner take on every single playable fighter in the game.

edited 30th Apr '15 3:12:08 AM by Folt

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#73949: Apr 30th 2015 at 3:31:00 AM

I vaguely suspect that's an oversight rather than an intended cordoning-off of Mewtwo as somehow different from the rest of the cast.

I sure said that!
Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#73950: Apr 30th 2015 at 3:36:13 AM

[up] I don't. If Mewtwo not being in Events except as a selectable character was an oversight, we'd see a fix to that long ago.

And really, Mewtwo even gets his own corner away from the other Pokémon characters where Lucas and the other DLC characters will likely join him.

And I have a sneaking suspicion that we won't see any custom moves for the other DLC characters either.

Fantastic Supreme Überkaiser Emperor Folt of The Infinity and Beyond" ... "The First"!

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