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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#73526: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:13:28 PM

Platformer wise, the Koopalings have almost as many appearances. The koopalings have 5 vs Bowser Jr's 6, so Jr only out ranks them 1 game.

Why is "platformer appearances" supposed to be an advantage (well I'm not even sure how it can be called that since it's not even anything they can be said to hold over him, but w/e)? The primary way that most Mario characters get their personalities and capabilities rounded out is through spin-offs - hence Waluigi being such a consistently popular character for what he is - and I don't think it needs to be said how heavily Jr outranks them in that regard.

I'll also note that Jr's design is much more revamped than what you're suggesting (though it is a common mistake to make), especially when they were still using the comparatively ugly Baby Bowser design for the "Koopa Kid" in the GC Mario Party games.

edited 22nd Apr '15 4:16:43 PM by Demonfly

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#73527: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:15:31 PM

What's kinda funny is that since the Robins need to be the same height, and since Lucina needs to be the same height as Marth (Or close, anyway), Lucina is taller than male Robin in SSB despite being shorter than him in FE.

And Shulk should be one inch shorter than Little Mac. You can see how that turned out.

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#73528: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:17:42 PM

I'm just gonna come out and say my first Mario game(I had the SNES mario collection when I was young, but I was practically a toddler then) was Sunshine. So I'd be inherently biased towards Bowser Junior because I didn't know OF the Koopalings until their re-debut in New Super Mario Brothers.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#73529: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:17:44 PM

Remember: Kirby is the size of a quarter, and Olimar is even smaller. (EDIT: or wait, is Olimar the size of a quarter? How big is Kirby? I'm not up on my Nintendo size lore)

In the world of Smash Bros, size matters not. Judge them by their size, do you?

edited 22nd Apr '15 4:18:35 PM by Zarek

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#73530: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:20:04 PM

[up][up][up] Little Mac is slouching though, we don't see him standing upright in the game so we can't tell if he's actually taller than Shulk or not.

Same thing with Greninja. If you use his D-Air and pause at the right moment, then you'll see that he's actually taller than Rosalina.

edited 22nd Apr '15 4:20:41 PM by FullMoon

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#73531: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:23:20 PM

Kirby is 8 inches, and Olimar is around 1 inch.

Anyway, it's reasonable to scale up small characters, but it's funny to nitpick on the regular sized ones. At least Rosalina is still ridiculously tall.

[up]You sure that's not his stretched "feet" adding a few centimeters?

edited 22nd Apr '15 4:25:11 PM by Elbruno

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#73532: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:28:31 PM

Koopalings suck. Just seven bosses with a bit of personality to them and nothing more. Wouldn't be too bad, but they completely took over NSMB and are responsible for its boring boss fights. Jr is cool though. He knows what's up. He is the future king for a reason.

TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#73533: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:29:41 PM

Sorry to bring this up again, but I just couldn't help myself. tongue

I'm not gonna take any sides on the Male Robin vs. Female debate, but lemme at least point some things out.

The fact that the Robin trailer showed both Male and Female appearances when Villager's and WFT's trailers didn't isn't an indicator on which one is the "more important", it's just that it was the first character with alts showed after alts were confirmed, as characters who weren't Wario having model-changing alts were still a secret surprise. This can be supported as the first model change costume revealed - Male WFT - was shown on Halloween, a holiday based almost entirely on costumes and dress up. They most likely figured to go ahead and reveal Female Robin's alt since costumes were already known info.

There's also the web page; every other character's model-change alts that aren't Mac's or Wario's are considered different characters in their own games <the 8 Villagers, Female and Male WFT, Jr. and the Koopalings, Olimar and Alph, Miis>. However, the 2 Robins in-universe are literally the same person split between 2 genders <well, in theory, anyway>, which is why both have their official renders featured on the Smash Bros. website.

That said, I go by what the actual defaults are by the game's CSS and by trailers, so the "primary" alts to me are red shirt Male Villager, Female WFT and Male Robin.

Incidentally, I consider Jr. the primary Clown Car character, as the Final Smash is Shadow Mario, something only Jr. has done until now, rather than a universal ability all/any of them have used. tongue

edited 22nd Apr '15 4:30:29 PM by TechPowah

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#73534: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:31:24 PM

I will give this to the Koopalings: their appearance in Smash 4 allows us to make all those hilarious Roy jokes. For that I thank them.

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#73535: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:31:48 PM

@Full Moon: >:(

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#73536: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:36:09 PM

I like both the Koopalings and Bowser Jr., but I prefer playing as Iggy, Ludwig, and Larry in Smash.

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#73537: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:37:06 PM

I'm in the BJ nostalgia club, though it comes from NSMB 1. I can repect the Koopalings, however.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#73538: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:39:42 PM

As for Robin, I'm pretty sure male was the default because of Lucina. Fire Emblem (and the trailer introducing them) got a new girl, so might as well make male Robin the default to make things look more balanced in their debut. Had Lucina not gotten in it might've gone the other way for Robin.

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#73539: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:42:28 PM

You sure that's not his stretched "feet" adding a few centimeters?

Make of it what you will.

He seems to be about the same height as Rosalina all things considered

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#73540: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:43:22 PM

I don't really care which Robin I use. I switch it up every few fights.

Though I think Fem-Robin speaks louder.

M-Robin: Arcfire!

F-Robin: ARCFIRE!

[up]Greninja looks like it is standing on its toes. Or equaliant of toes.

edited 22nd Apr '15 4:45:53 PM by Kuroxeng

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#73541: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:44:41 PM

This somehow reminds me of how Marth in Melee had an unusually long grab range for a realistically proportioned human. What was up with that?

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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#73542: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:45:55 PM

Guys. Hey guys. Hey. Hey guys.

What do you call a game that's a mix of Smash Bros, a point-and-click adventure game, and an RPG?

Quest FOR GLORY.

Eh? Eh?

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#73543: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:50:03 PM

Does it include suicidally leaping boxers?

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#73544: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:52:08 PM

I'd take out the point-and-click, but I never mind gaining experience points if it makes me fight better.

Speaking of heights from whenever, I rediscover this chart.

The tiniest fighters are most suspect. I use Mario as the standard. I know Olimar is tiny, but Kirby looks way too small. All of the smaller fighters look like they could be a little bigger...

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#73545: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:52:29 PM

Taller than Rosalina or not, this Greninja surely isn't 1.5m tongue

edited 22nd Apr '15 4:52:37 PM by FullMoon

Kuroxeng Moved accounts because meh from error 040 Since: Mar, 2015
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#73546: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:56:46 PM

... DDD is tiny, holy hell!

What did did did he eat to get so big for Smash? Steroid burgers?

edited 22nd Apr '15 4:57:43 PM by Kuroxeng

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#73547: Apr 22nd 2015 at 4:57:11 PM

It amuses me that Rosalina is taller than Samus in armor.

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#73548: Apr 22nd 2015 at 5:00:47 PM

[up][up] King Dedede is essentially the Excadrill of the Nintendoverse. He's a powerhouse, but a Pint-Sized Powerhouse.

[up] Well, she is basically God in her home universe.

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#73549: Apr 22nd 2015 at 5:03:02 PM

How the hell is Palutena so tiny? Look at her proportions compared to Link! That can't be right.

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#73550: Apr 22nd 2015 at 5:03:13 PM

Kirby world is a smaller scale than ours, so it's gonna look odd comparing his actual height to a human.

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