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TroPartner Since: Nov, 2014
#73426: Apr 22nd 2015 at 8:30:57 AM

I just realized the pun behind "Ash Ketchum".

I am a huge idiot sometimes. -_-'

edited 22nd Apr '15 8:31:19 AM by TroPartner

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#73427: Apr 22nd 2015 at 8:38:52 AM

... That's kinda off-topic, but now I'm curious. Were you already aware of people called Ketchum before learning Ash's name? I personally got the joke immediately because the name sounded ridiculous to me and I thought they were really stretching themselves for it, and I was surprised to learn years down the line that it's actually an existing name. It's not a terrible shame not to get a pun like that if you never stop to actually think about it, really, which would be the case if you could just accept it as a name like any other from the get-go. Or if, say, you're relatively young and got into Pokemon when "gotta catch 'em all" wasn't the official slogan anymore. Or for any other reason, really - brainfarts happen sometimes.

(A girl at university told me that one time she thought her vaccuum cleaner was broken because it wasn't vaccuuming very well anymore, but it couldn't possibly be that she had to change the dust bag, because it was one of those that don't need any. It only occurred to her eventually that "I don't have to change the bag" is only technically true.)

edited 22nd Apr '15 8:42:41 AM by Fawriel

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#73428: Apr 22nd 2015 at 8:47:40 AM

Hey, it took me years to get the Paul Bearer pun (but then again, I wasn't going to funerals as a kid). Some just take a while.

Honestly, a lot of the Project M alts were great, and it's a shame that Sm4sh didn't do it.

Dr Mario should be a Mario alt, and Dark Pit should be a Pit alt, but I've made my thoughts clear on that back in this wishlist post.

edited 22nd Apr '15 8:48:29 AM by wanderlustwarrior

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#73429: Apr 22nd 2015 at 9:33:46 AM

Back when we didn't know what the new alts for some characters would be, I was hoping for Shiny Lucario and White Yoshi. Neither of that happened, obviously.

Also, I always use Classic Wario if I ever play as him.

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#73430: Apr 22nd 2015 at 9:34:48 AM

It's odd that they gave us shiny Greninja (or at least a better version of his shiny coloration) but not shiny Charizard.

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#73431: Apr 22nd 2015 at 10:11:54 AM

@Tro Partner: Goddammit.

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TroPartner Since: Nov, 2014
#73432: Apr 22nd 2015 at 10:37:01 AM

Uh... Is this about Link or puns...?

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#73433: Apr 22nd 2015 at 10:54:31 AM

The Ash pun.

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#73434: Apr 22nd 2015 at 11:29:43 AM

Okay, female Robin is the only Robin in Smash.

Gotta disagree heavily with you there. In fact, Male Robin is the main Robin and Female Robin is an alt.

Dr. Mario should be a Mario alt, and Dark Pit should be a Pit alt, but I've made my thoughts clear on that back in this wishlist post.

I disagree.

In terms of alts I want, I can't think of anything, which means I'm rather satisified... though if the Ryu rumor turns out to be true, I want to have Ken as an alt for him.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#73435: Apr 22nd 2015 at 11:37:19 AM

Male Robin is the main Robin and Female Robin is an alt.

Fight me.

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#73437: Apr 22nd 2015 at 11:45:50 AM

Gotta disagree heavily with you there. In fact, Male Robin is the main Robin and Female Robin is an alt.

Okay yeah but here's the thing: I. Don't. Caaaaaaare.

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#73438: Apr 22nd 2015 at 11:50:53 AM

I use Male Robin because that's the Robin I first saw thanks to the trailer so that look is the only one that looks right for me.

That and female Robin's hair looks pretty dumb.

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#73439: Apr 22nd 2015 at 11:57:52 AM

Okay yeah but here's the thing: I. Don't. Caaaaaaare.

It's all right to be deluding yourself, but I would ask that you don't make it that obvious. [lol]

Fight me.

With proof?

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#73440: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:02:43 PM

I'm not deluding myself, I'm having an opinion. One that happens to not coincide with the opinions of the game's makers, yes, but not any less valid of an opinion.

Unless you thought I meant that literally. You didn't think I meant that literally, did you? I mean, I'm not that stupid. I can see male Robin on the character select screen.

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#73441: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:04:26 PM

Perfect timing on the "SETTLE IT IN SMASH!!" joke. Also, I agree on female Robin being best Robin.

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#73442: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:08:09 PM

Okay, seriously, did people forget that Dr. Mario and Dark Pit both started off as alts? Like how Lucina started off as an alt? This whole "Dr. Mario should have been an alt" or "Dark Pit should have been an alt" argument is pointless because they already used to be alts.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#73443: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:10:02 PM

... Okay, now I'm actually annoyed.

They had to make one of the two the default because that's how this works, and the default was "male" because that's how cultural norms work, but saying that the female is just an alt is... possibly correct by the technical definition, but insisting on it, in response to an obviously joking post, is just douchey in a rather petty way. Like, really now. The post said that "female Robin is the only Robin in Smash", that's not something you need to "disagree heavily" with, it's obviously not the only one, it was an exaggeration for fun, why do you hate fun?

TroPartner Since: Nov, 2014
#73444: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:15:21 PM

[up]I've said before that I've never played Awakening, or any Fire Emblem game. But if the game's many paths seem to have no bias towards either gender, which I assume is the case, then this would make sense. I think Sakurai maybe could've represented it better by putting both versions on the portrait.

edited 22nd Apr '15 12:16:20 PM by TroPartner

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#73445: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:19:51 PM

I'm not deluding myself, I'm having an opinion. One that happens to not coincide with the opinions of the game's makers, yes, but not any less valid of an opinion.

It's wrong to begin with. That alone makes it less valid than the opposite (though saying that Female Robin clearly has no presence in Smash is also objectively wrong in my opinion as her very inclusion as an alt means she is important enough to be a playable option; just not as important as Male Robin).

They had to make one of the two the default because that's how this works, and the default was "male" because that's how cultural norms work, but saying that the female is just an alt is... possibly correct by the technical definition, but insisting on it, in response to an obviously joking post, is just douchey in a rather petty way. Like, really now. The post said that "female Robin is the only Robin in Smash", that's not something you need to "disagree heavily" with, it's obviously not the only one, it was an exaggeration for fun, why do you hate fun?

... Now you've made me take this seriously.

I'm afraid there's evidence in-game that point to Female Robin being less important than Male Robin in terms of Smash, whether by trophy, amiibo, official art, and other stuff I've noticed in regards to the two (and which actually counts for the other two gender-choice characters as well).

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#73446: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:25:47 PM

That doesn't mean we have to agree with that evidence. What have you got against people liking female Robin more than male Robin?

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#73447: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:27:26 PM

[up]THIS.

And as for characters returning to being alts again, what's wrong with that? If it means more and more varied characters to play as, I'm fine with Dr. Mario not having his own slot. Especially if they just do what they did with Male/Female robin, and have them share a slot but have their own voice clips and models.

Take this (serious suggestion that I just now thought of and would really like) for example: Make Toon Link an alt for Regular Link. Then, add Mask (Young) Link to the game. And if someone liked having 8 colors for Toon or Regular Link, or liked having the minor moveset variations, they don't need to disappear. It's just condensing them to one character slot.

edited 22nd Apr '15 12:36:57 PM by wanderlustwarrior

BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#73448: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:38:37 PM

I don't know where I'd find it again, but I saw an article (that might have been linked earlier in the thread) that said they made Lucina separate from Marth was because they didn't want the mechanic change messing with the records, Dr Mario and Dark Pit probably had similar reasoning behind it and I doubt they'd merge Link with Young Link for the same reason.

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#73449: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:40:51 PM

That doesn't mean we have to agree with that evidence. What have you got against people liking female Robin more than male Robin?

Nothing against the sane ones. The delusional ones however make me want to puke.

And as for characters returning to being alts again, what's wrong with that? If it means more and more varied characters to play as, I'm fine with Dr. Mario not having his own slot. Especially if they just do what they did with Male/Female robin, and have them share a slot but have their own voice clips and models.

Dr. Mario's inclusion had nothing to do with if we'd potentially get a cast of more varied characters. Same with the other two. In fact, I'd claim that, as contradictory as it sounds, taking away Dr. Mario and the other two and making them alts (and this goes for Lucina as well, no matter how inferior they make her) would in fact hurt character variety.

Take this (serious suggestion that I just now thought of and would really like) for example: Make Toon Link an alt for Regular Link. Then, add Mask (Young) Link to the game. And if someone liked having 8 colors for Toon or Regular Link, or liked having the minor moveset variatins, they don't need to disappear. It's just condensing them to one character slot.

I'm afraid doing it like that AND keeping the minor alterations of moveset clones would heavily skew the statistics in a way that means that the information you could glean from these statistics in any way (whether casual or competitive) would be inaccurate at best. I'd also be a nightmare in terms of creating custom moves and keeping them separate from each "alt". Also, Toon Link is perfectly deserving of his own roster spot.

Or just read [up] which adresses it better than I ever could.

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#73450: Apr 22nd 2015 at 12:41:45 PM

[up][up]Hmm. Well, that seems like a decent reason for them, but in my world it's not that huge. I mean, I don't need the whole world knowing "those Mario battles were mostly fought at Dr. Mario"! if it means leaving space to also play as someone else (which in my dream world it would).

edited 22nd Apr '15 12:42:10 PM by wanderlustwarrior


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