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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#73251: Apr 20th 2015 at 12:21:35 PM

Yes, he would be considered a different playable character. He would also be a terrible different playable character that would in no way be justifiable to implement before any of the countless other potential characters that would actually improve the game with their presence.

... I've ranted enough about how adding too many too similar characters from the same series is a bad design choice. Don't even get me started on adding variations on the very same character. I mean, if it's a no-effort clone or reskin, by all means. If it wastes resources better used on something worthwhile, cease and desist immediately.

edited 20th Apr '15 12:22:52 PM by Fawriel

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#73252: Apr 20th 2015 at 12:30:14 PM

[up]I'll agree with you on this one. Dr. Mario is Mario with a few different quirks; quick and relatively easy to make. A sword wielding Ganondorf would mean putting resources to make an entirely new character who would in the end be a guy we already have on the roster. I'd much rather see that effort go towards a new face, especially for DLC.

edited 20th Apr '15 12:30:36 PM by Elbruno

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Kuroxeng Moved accounts because meh from error 040 Since: Mar, 2015
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#73253: Apr 20th 2015 at 12:31:53 PM

Man, if a Sword/Hyrule Warriors Ganon gets added, I don't even want to think of the Flame War that ensues. People were already up in arms about Lucina and Dark Pit. Dr Mario got a pass because of Grand Father Clause which is ridicilous in all honesty.

Though as far as I can tell, Ganon does quite well with all three of magic, fists and swords. It would have been an improvement if he had a few new moves replacing the Falcondorfiness, but he also works so well as a brawler.

But that never happened, because of the previously mentioned clause. Which is a dumb excuse anyway.

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WaxingName from Everywhere Since: Oct, 2010
#73254: Apr 20th 2015 at 12:37:15 PM

the one solitary instance

1. Why is it "one solitary instance".

2. Even if it is, that's why I'm asking for something that requires relatively little development.

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#73255: Apr 20th 2015 at 12:45:05 PM

[up]It kinda sounds like what you're asking for is right in the middle of the 'characters that need to be made spectrum', though. Not clone-y enough to be a clone, and not worth the effort of programming as a new character. Like, clones are good 'cause they're (comparatively) less effort to work on, and if you want a new character, fine then. But if you want another character with a sword, then why not program a new character that's not already in the game? I understand the desire for sword Ganon, but it's both too much effort and not enough effort to make.

edited 20th Apr '15 12:46:41 PM by Daydre

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#73256: Apr 20th 2015 at 12:48:08 PM

When Ganondorf first appeared in Smash, had there even been a version of him that used swords a lot? I'm almost positive he never used a sword in Oo T.

I'm just saying because people make the argument that hes a sword user but.... not really?

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#73257: Apr 20th 2015 at 12:49:12 PM

[up] Ganon did. Two big ones, in fact.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#73258: Apr 20th 2015 at 12:55:12 PM

The thing is that Sword Ganondorf would not actually require little development. The only things you could reuse are the model and his voice, which I'm pretty sure are exactly the parts of character development that take by far the least amount of effort. As far as I know, the vast majority goes into programming the movements, then programming the specifics of the moves, then testing and such. Which that character would require.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#73259: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:05:41 PM

Not having swords wasn't the problem. Not using magic was the problem, especially since that was basically all he did in Ocarina. A wizard before a brawler or swordsman.

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#73260: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:11:21 PM

Also true. I'm surprised he's never had a projectile, because he shoots magic at you in almost every game.

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Kuroxeng Moved accounts because meh from error 040 Since: Mar, 2015
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#73261: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:18:16 PM

He is a muscle wizard with a side of sword.

Smash gives him muscle, but not enough wizard. Needs more wizard.

Random: would Ganon be called "porky" instead of "beefy?" I mean, he is a manbearpig a boar of a man.

edited 20th Apr '15 1:20:05 PM by Kuroxeng

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#73262: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:22:25 PM

What would "Toon Sonic" be? Or how about "Toon Fox" or "Toon Captain Falcon".

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#73264: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:24:12 PM

Know what? Let's go full Fighter Mage Thief and have punchy (current) Ganon, wizard Ganon, and sword Ganon. Or instead spend all that money and effort into worthwhile pursuits insteads, like adding in more blue haired sword wielding Lords.

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Eldrake Since: Oct, 2009
#73265: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:29:16 PM

You know, selectable movesets wouldn't be a horrible idea. So you can have Falcondorf and Sword/Wizardorf in one slot.

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#73266: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:30:55 PM

[up][up]I really like that idea. Or since there are custom movesets, just actually make the custom moves different enough, like with Palutena.

Here again, for my own record are the characters I'd be interested in voting for, if they are still doing that. If not, the characters I'd like to see in a future game, in approximate order of desire (assuming Ice Climbers and Wolf return):

Long shots: Characters that should return conditional on their being alts for the characters they're based on, condensing character select slots:

I think I got all of the reasonable Nintendo series covered, plus some retro and some alternate playstyles.

edited 23rd Apr '15 9:01:12 AM by wanderlustwarrior

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#73267: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:36:06 PM

I'd rather not see Lucina go...so maybe Luigify her (and Pittoo) and add in the protagonist of whatever the New FE game will be in Smash 5 releases.

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#73268: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:49:16 PM

I really have no problem conceptually with either, but I figure at the very least they need Divergent Character Evolution, but since there's custom movesets, they might as well just be alternate costumes (with voice quotes and endings), instead of taking a full slot that someone else could bring much more variation to.

edited 20th Apr '15 1:57:05 PM by wanderlustwarrior

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#73269: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:50:14 PM

I suspect Roy will be a mixture of Marth and Ike. Just a hunch, but it would be a quick way to differentiate him quickly.

Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#73270: Apr 20th 2015 at 1:55:15 PM

If Sakurai even considered doing that, he'd think to do it for Chrom, who actually has in game justification for it (what with being a muscular descendent of Marth who learns Aether)

Roy would just be contrived.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#73271: Apr 20th 2015 at 2:04:37 PM

Roy has vet status, fire, and was planned to be in Brawl, which shook up most of the clones well enough. He's got more going for him than Chrom.

KSoniK Since: Jan, 2015
#73272: Apr 20th 2015 at 2:06:20 PM

Or instead spend all that money and effort into worthwhile pursuits insteads, like adding in more blue haired sword wielding Lords

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edited 20th Apr '15 2:06:37 PM by KSoniK

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#73273: Apr 20th 2015 at 2:07:45 PM

Personally, I'd have to pull a No. Just... No on Chrom. Not when we have Robin and the others.

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#73275: Apr 20th 2015 at 2:13:34 PM

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