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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#72926: Apr 16th 2015 at 2:18:47 AM

Mmmmmmmmmmmm, I just learned that Shulk's Back Slash can now spike, even without hitting in the back.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#72927: Apr 16th 2015 at 5:00:50 AM

Mewtwo's recovery, middle of the road?

I think I have to disagree.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#72928: Apr 16th 2015 at 6:29:32 AM

So, how are we liking Mewtwo so far?

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Hungryguy I am a Rad Reptile. from inside a cheese wheel Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
I am a Rad Reptile.
#72929: Apr 16th 2015 at 6:33:26 AM

I love playing him, his movements are so fluid and smooth!

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TroPartner Since: Nov, 2014
#72930: Apr 16th 2015 at 6:37:21 AM

Would this be version 1.0.6, now?

edited 16th Apr '15 6:37:39 AM by TroPartner

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#72931: Apr 16th 2015 at 7:12:32 AM

I like him, but I lose a lot as him.

So about the same as the rest of the cast, I'd say. [lol]

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#72932: Apr 16th 2015 at 7:19:40 AM

Chasing down every fucking body in midair, not giving a fuck in the process.

Oh how I missed that.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#72933: Apr 16th 2015 at 7:23:09 AM

Mewtwo is probably in my top 3 favorites along with Mega Man and Fox.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Hungryguy I am a Rad Reptile. from inside a cheese wheel Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
I am a Rad Reptile.
#72934: Apr 16th 2015 at 7:28:00 AM

My top three favorites now are Bowser, Mewtwo, and Ganondorf. How unoriginal of me.tongue

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#72935: Apr 16th 2015 at 7:46:39 AM

Just thinking, Ike has a Suspiciously Similar Substitute in the Smash character page (being one of Roy, although throughly elaborated), should we add one for Lucario, with a pertinent explanation, and ending with an aversion?

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#72936: Apr 16th 2015 at 7:49:02 AM

No. We already went through a discussion on that.

As much as some folks like to say it, Lucario is not a substitute of Mewtwo in any way, shape, or form. Besides the supernatural fighting abilities and the one special move, they are nothing alike.

And for that matter, is Ike the one with the Suspiciously Similar Substitute entry? That's quite a shoehorning right there. Besides the the fire and the Mighty Glacier-ness, their moves are nothing alike.

edited 16th Apr '15 7:50:55 AM by Elbruno

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#72937: Apr 16th 2015 at 7:50:48 AM

And besides being Pokemon and using deep voices and loving to cross their arms a lot.

Nothing alike.

edited 16th Apr '15 7:51:13 AM by Keybreak

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#72938: Apr 16th 2015 at 7:53:38 AM

We went through quite a lengthy Ask The Tropers discussion over this some months ago. I think Irene was involved.

I'd rather not bring a repeat of that, but the conclusion was that Lucario is not a substitute of Mewtwo, especially since Mewtwo was meant to be in Brawl.

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
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#72939: Apr 16th 2015 at 7:59:44 AM

There could be something of an instinctive thought to it (ah, a charged projectile that harms on charge, a quick-moving recovery that doesn't damage, and a command grab), but in reality, they're even less similar than Wolf is to Fox.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#72940: Apr 16th 2015 at 8:18:56 AM

They have a single move in common (and so does Samus). They fit the role within the franchise, and are SOMEWHAT similar in terms of feeling. But that's it.

Ike is more of a fit; lord of the latest Fire Emblem game at the moment of debut (somewhat for Roy tho), different approach than Marth, and 2 of his specials are Roy's (Eruption is Fire Blade with a different animation, Counter is closer in timing to Roy's than to Marth's; still, Marth's variants changed from their Melee incarnations as well).

Keep in mind, I am talking from a function standpoint (I know that I was a Mewtwo main in Melee, and mained Lucario in Brawl because it was the next best thing, but clearly different). They have a floaty gameplay focused on huge jumps and recoveries, and solid aerials, and are both quite humanlike in demeanor compared to other Pokemon.

Not quite a substitute, but the similarities are there. Still I wouldn't derp out and say "Lucario is a clone of Mewtwo/is a reskined Mewtwo", but the feeling ended up being similar, and Mewtwo ended up absent in his debut game.

But yeah, I can see the counterpoint; in fact, I agree more with the counterpoint, but there are things that shouldn't be ignored.

Fox and Wolf never felt similar to me, gameplay-wise. But I never played as much as them.

edited 16th Apr '15 8:19:48 AM by Eriorguez

Hungryguy I am a Rad Reptile. from inside a cheese wheel Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
I am a Rad Reptile.
#72941: Apr 16th 2015 at 8:23:43 AM

I played Wolf and Fox quite a bit in Brawl and I can say that they feel completely different.

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TroPartner Since: Nov, 2014
#72942: Apr 16th 2015 at 8:25:04 AM

@Elbruno: I want to tell you that I love the pun your title makes in conjunction with your avatar. "Kept you waiting, huh?" and "Sorry to keep you waiting!" have become some of my favorite phrases for some reason.

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Court Dragon
#72943: Apr 16th 2015 at 8:28:54 AM

Samus's Charge Beam isn't quite the same. She can't charge it in the air, it never has an erratic flight path, and (until For, anyway) Shadow Ball/Aura Sphere damage while charging.

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#72944: Apr 16th 2015 at 8:31:30 AM

[up][up]It would've been criminal to lose my chance at pulling out this pun after coming across this picture. tongue

edited 16th Apr '15 8:32:05 AM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Beaver Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#72945: Apr 16th 2015 at 8:35:16 AM

So, what is Mewtwo like?

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#72947: Apr 16th 2015 at 9:31:52 AM

but the conclusion was that Lucario is not a substitute of Mewtwo, especially since Mewtwo was meant to be in Brawl

As was Roy.

So many big Melee names in this game now ;_;

Mewtwo's recovery, middle of the road? I think I have to disagree.

Is Ness's recovery options considered all that good? Because all I can say about Mewtwo's so far is that he's overall slightly better at it than him (and pretty much only by virtue of not having PK GimpMe as his up-b).

edited 16th Apr '15 9:51:57 AM by Demonfly

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#72948: Apr 16th 2015 at 9:58:18 AM

Good air speed, reverse Shadow Ball, a huge second jump that carries momentum with the aerials, and teleport (and confusion gives it a bit of height).

It was one of the best recoveries in Melee, and it has been improved.

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Court Dragon
#72949: Apr 16th 2015 at 10:09:15 AM

I need to practice midair turning so as to use reverse Shadow Ball to recover.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#72950: Apr 16th 2015 at 10:09:59 AM

Assuming the video I saw wasn't altered, I just learned that completely charging a Shadow Ball causes Mewtwo's eyes in his portrait to shine. That is awesome, if true.

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