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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#72426: Apr 12th 2015 at 12:17:10 AM

Huh. I never knew if Falco was programmed as higher priority or if it's random. I'd love it if that was tested.

That said, I got Ness first via matches, and Falco later by doing Classic. So I cannot say what it was via my own testing since it never came up. And I am not deleting my progress. Not when I can't just delete unlockable characters only, anyway.(seriously, why was this option removed from Brawl and 4? That was fun refighting them...)

Shadow?
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#72427: Apr 12th 2015 at 12:21:08 AM

How can you delete unlockable fighters in Brawl?

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#72428: Apr 12th 2015 at 12:53:33 AM

You can't outside of deleting all data. That's what I was complaining about here. It's a Melee/64 option only. I want to know why.

I like facing them, and I'd love to do so in Brawl, but if I play the SSE first... I have to delete it all or play it on another Wii(or Wii U) in order to unlock them another way. That's what I loved about Melee, you could do things over again for fun, but a different way for character unlocks. That said, 64 mostly didn't work this way, but only for Luigi since the only order is "which Target Test do I beat first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth?". You generally were getting Jigglypuff or Falcon first, and Ness was a more specific bit. I don't know what the priority of those 3 are, but obviously you'd get Jigglypuff if you go too slow over Falcon.

Shadow?
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#72429: Apr 12th 2015 at 2:01:55 AM

@Ganondorf: I prefer him without a sword because G-dorf should be one of the strongest characters but he'll never end up actually being one of the strongest characters, and if they give a giant like him a sword and consequently even more range, they'll have to compensate by either making him disappointingly weak or cripplingly slow. (Though you could strike a balance by only making him use the sword for some moves.)

I don't consider guys like Wolf to be clones, but I can easily see why people would think that. A character's B-moves are, by far, the flashiest and often the cornerstone in that fighter's strategies, making them really stand out in people's minds. The Boring but Practical normal attacks quickly get forgotten or dismissed.
I think it's more about the character as a whole. It's easy but kind of pointless to point out how many moves a character has that are similar to another's. How many similarities do there have to be to constitute a clone? How similar is too similar?

Ultimately it's not just "four moves happen to be similar", but "the four special moves that have a particularly high impact on how the character plays are of the same archetype and effectively constitute an archetype of their own as a set". You can tally up the number of similar moves and rate their degree of similarity if you want to, but ultimately what it comes down to is that Wolf feels like a clone to people because he's a space animal who looks like a space animal and has moves like a space animal and just overall feels like a space animal.

(Personally, I'd call Wolf a pretty distant clone and say that I don't actually mind him because they did put a lot of effort into making him control differently and emphasizing his wolfishness, which gives him a lot more personality than... either of the other two, really. I don't particularly care to denounce him as a terrible clone or anything, but I do think that saying that people only call him a clone because they're forgetting about most of his moves is rather condescending. I think it's just harder to articulate that a character as a whole just feels too similar, so people end up trying to boil it down to something quantifiable like moves, which, as I said, doesn't actually make it any less arbitrary and only describes one part of the character.)

TroPartner Since: Nov, 2014
#72430: Apr 12th 2015 at 2:28:45 AM

"G-dorf"? What is this, gangsta?

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#72431: Apr 12th 2015 at 2:50:27 AM

[up][up] Wolf is pretty much not a clone as much as he's a different character altogether who happens to have some moves that are similiar to the other Star Fox reps.

Fantastic Supreme Überkaiser Emperor Folt of The Infinity and Beyond" ... "The First"!
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#72432: Apr 12th 2015 at 3:09:45 AM

... I should probably just stop posting here, shouldn't I.

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#72433: Apr 12th 2015 at 3:24:38 AM

What can I say? Wolf in the end feels more distinctly feral and animalistic in the way he moves and plays than the other two (who feels more or less like how I'd envision a space traveller-slash-anthropomorphic animal hybrid would play like).

Fantastic Supreme Überkaiser Emperor Folt of The Infinity and Beyond" ... "The First"!
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#72434: Apr 12th 2015 at 3:59:49 AM

Okay, well, yes.

I don't know, I might have misinterpreted your previous post. I'm grumpy lately. Grump grump grump.

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#72435: Apr 12th 2015 at 4:05:11 AM

No, no. I suppose I'm at fault as well for not properly saying what I meant.

Fantastic Supreme Überkaiser Emperor Folt of The Infinity and Beyond" ... "The First"!
Enderspy (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: In bed with a green-skinned space babe
#72436: Apr 12th 2015 at 7:11:19 AM

[up][up]*insert Game Grumps reference*

edited 12th Apr '15 7:11:30 AM by Enderspy

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#72437: Apr 12th 2015 at 9:27:15 AM

For anybody interested, here are my matches that showed up on stream:

edited 12th Apr '15 9:27:35 AM by FullMoon

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#72438: Apr 12th 2015 at 10:18:30 AM

Wolf is the Sakura to Fox's Ryu - his moves and mechanics are very obviously based on Fox's, but differentiated enough such that they have very different effects and uses.

edited 12th Apr '15 10:19:43 AM by KnownUnknown

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#72439: Apr 12th 2015 at 10:29:42 AM

I was thinking the Akuma, but Sakura works.

I have a message from another time...
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#72440: Apr 12th 2015 at 10:30:27 AM

All I can think of now is Wolf in a Sailor Fuku.

Why did you all do this to me?

edited 12th Apr '15 10:31:53 AM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Naspah Perpetually tired from My house in the middle of nowhere Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: Californicating
Perpetually tired
#72442: Apr 12th 2015 at 12:09:25 PM

Huh I didn't know they made an english version.

Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#72443: Apr 12th 2015 at 12:17:15 PM

so...i heard they're adding mewtwo and lucas back in as dlc characters?

they already out or we still waiting?

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#72444: Apr 12th 2015 at 12:21:09 PM

Mootoo comes out the 15th if you registered both games on Club Nintendo or the 28th otherwise. Lucas doesn't come out until June.

The 15th will also add some Mii Fighter costumes.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#72445: Apr 12th 2015 at 12:23:22 PM

If you registered Mewtwo via Club Nintendo, you can get the e-mails with each code starting on Apr. 15nth. Somebody on another forum went and e-mailed Nintendo about it. There is no automation. They're sending out the codes themselves.

If you did not, he'll be available on the 28th. Lucas is sometime during June. No release date specifically, and the price was not announced. He may be cheaper due to using less resources to make, or they may have another character planned around that time, or even more Mii Fighter costumes. No reason to set his price in stone till they figure out everything(also, he likely will come with another balance patch and maybe even a past stage in each version, like Fourside in the 3DS and New Pork City in the Wii U versions.)

edited 12th Apr '15 1:18:50 PM by Irene

Shadow?
BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Oh hai TV Tropes
#72446: Apr 12th 2015 at 12:40:20 PM

Mewtwo comes out Wednesday?

It's nice that I still have the 3DS version with me, but I'm starting to deeply regret not bothering to bring my Wii U back to my dorm.

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#72447: Apr 12th 2015 at 12:41:39 PM

Dec. 15

I wasn't aware that Nintendo became Valve

Also, DLC characters generally cost the same amount, regardless of the circumstances (unless they're "free for a limited time" like a handful of the recent ones).

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#72448: Apr 12th 2015 at 12:44:16 PM

In other news, I was all looking forward to a possible announcement of ballot results around the 10th. And then I learned that I read the date wrong and 10 was actually the month, hah hah...

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#72449: Apr 12th 2015 at 12:47:42 PM

Y'know, I don't have much attachment to Lucas, but I'm tempted to get an amiibo of him (if they ever exist) just to name him "George."

"We're home, Chewie."
BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Oh hai TV Tropes
#72450: Apr 12th 2015 at 12:49:42 PM

[up] I was thinking of getting a Ness amiibo just to name him "P. Ness." I'm surprised that's not a really common name.

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