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TroPartner Since: Nov, 2014
#72401: Apr 11th 2015 at 7:22:26 PM

Yes, it's like Falcon Punch. It's useless, but fans'll get pissed the moment it's taken out of the game.[lol]

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#72402: Apr 11th 2015 at 7:22:41 PM

That's the joke, Tro Partner.

And yeah, that sword doesn't work outside of his stab move.

His original weapon in the demo would work for brutal attacks, and maybe he can incorporate his HW swords in the next game for an attack or two. I think it'd be a neat Forward Smash.

Shadow?
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#72403: Apr 11th 2015 at 7:25:49 PM

Like any other sword would ever fit Ganon...

Seriously, Twilight Princess was almost a decade ago, and there is a Zelda due next year. I wanna see new designs.

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#72405: Apr 11th 2015 at 7:56:54 PM

I walk into stream and suddenly I see the words "HAIL SATAN" written on the center of the screen.

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#72406: Apr 11th 2015 at 7:57:57 PM

[up] That's because the highest ranked player in the ladder is named "Luisfer" tongue

Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#72407: Apr 11th 2015 at 8:01:50 PM

I know, I was just making a joke. tongue

Eskay64 Since: Nov, 2010
#72408: Apr 11th 2015 at 8:30:24 PM

WRONG THREAD DAMN IT.

edited 11th Apr '15 8:30:48 PM by Eskay64

BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Oh hai TV Tropes
#72409: Apr 11th 2015 at 9:16:09 PM

I was surprised when I found out that Wario was an unlockable character in Smash 4. I knew he wasn't totally confirmed by the time the entire roster was leaked, but I sort of assumed that he was always on it when I went to play the 3DS version. I mean, why wouldn't he make a return in 4? I was also surprised that he remained an unlockable in the Wii U version.

At least you can unlock him easily in both versions, though. I played 100-Man Smash and expected to fight Falco afterwards (like in the previous two games), only to discover that one of the first characters revealed in Brawl wasn't available from the start.

How bizarre.

Call me Willy Whistle 'cause I can't speak, baby. Something in TV Tropes really drove me crazy.
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#72410: Apr 11th 2015 at 9:38:44 PM

I find the unlockables interesting in Smash 4. Characters and stages are really simple, so all the really hard challenges just give you something like a Trophy or maybe a custom part.

I sure said that!
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#72411: Apr 11th 2015 at 9:43:30 PM

Well, 100-Man Smash was harder in the Wii U version, and the updates also make the A.I. better. It's still not a super easy mode, nor was Cruel Smash, of course.

I do feel the challenges are far tougher than previous games, but it makes it even more satisfying when you win. Also, somehow Ganondorf is far more useful for a lot of Events than in Brawl or even Melee. And not with customs, as anything that lowers his attack power makes a huge difference. That said, hot damn, does his buffs help severely.

Shadow?
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#72412: Apr 11th 2015 at 9:47:36 PM

I'm pretty sure everyone knows that DK can Hand Slap his way to an easy 100-Man Smash win. It won't set any time records but it's not at all hard to manage.

I sure said that!
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#72413: Apr 11th 2015 at 9:52:04 PM

That would be the case if the Mii Gunner didn't have quite a bit of range with its A moves.

The opponents are a bit more challenging and versatile, so simple tricks like that aren't as effective as previous games in the long run. I'm still trying to get Palutena through it on the 3DS version, but I always lose somewhere. It probably does not help that the Control Pad always gets slippery on me due to having a very poor grip for my hands.

But keep in mind the issue isn't just beating it once, it's beating it with everyone and under a time limit too for various challenges. It's quite a bit more difficult than Brawl's, although I'd argue Melee's is a little bit harder than Brawl's too. Perhaps it's because all the player characters can survive far easier than in Melee or 4 since the defense options are maximum in that game(which is annoying in competitive play, but often useful in certain modes).

Shadow?
Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#72414: Apr 11th 2015 at 10:15:32 PM

Nice play on stream, Moon! 3rd place ain't nothing to sneeze at, especially in that bracket.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#72415: Apr 11th 2015 at 10:33:18 PM

I think I still cleared 100 Man Smash as DK and fought Wario soon after.

Why can't another Star Fox character be unlocked from the start?

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#72416: Apr 11th 2015 at 10:45:08 PM

Most of my wins can probably be attributed to lag messing up my opponents really tongue

Still surprised I managed to go anywhere in that tournament, much less managing to reach Winners Finals.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#72417: Apr 11th 2015 at 10:46:07 PM

I wasn't saying DK's combination didn't work. I'm saying that is was nowhere near as effective as Melee, that's all.

And yeah, I don't think there was any way to get Falco first this time. Ness was the first in Classic, with Falco after, and that's the same order for VS matches. He's no early bird.

Shadow?
BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#72418: Apr 11th 2015 at 10:49:08 PM

Lag is lag, it'll strike when it feels like. But your matches were all pretty good! Diddy on Delfino wasn't pretty. But the Loser's final was really sweet to watch

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#72419: Apr 11th 2015 at 11:02:18 PM

[up][up]I got Falco first, actually.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#72420: Apr 11th 2015 at 11:03:24 PM

Delfino was just humilliating. Greninja is so helpless in water, ironically.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#72421: Apr 11th 2015 at 11:29:38 PM

I thought Ness was first in 4? Oh, wait, were you playing the Wii U version? Ness is there from the start there, and Falco is the first Classic/VS unlock. Any other unlocks require you to due specific tasks(100 Man Smash, Cruel Smash...).

Shadow?
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#72422: Apr 11th 2015 at 11:44:04 PM

Falco can be unlocked in 3DS by beating Classic on any intensity without using any continues.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#72423: Apr 11th 2015 at 11:50:21 PM

Ness can too, but you can continue. I think it's random which one takes priority. Smash Wiki does not specify, but I could imagine Ness being more likely to come up first since it's possible somebody was forced to continue. Ness however does have less VS matches, so he probably is intended to be the first unlock overall when it comes to main order, if they actually care about the order, that is.

Shadow?
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#72424: Apr 11th 2015 at 11:51:06 PM

To unlock Falco, you take a pinecone, spread peanut butter on it, roll it in birdseed, then hang it outside your window. Falco will come.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#72425: Apr 11th 2015 at 11:55:41 PM

If I remember correctly, Ness is unlocked by just beating Classic once. That's it. You can continue all you want.

Because of that, if you fullfill both Ness and Falco's requirements at the same time, but Falco will take priority since he's further up the line.

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