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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#72076: Apr 7th 2015 at 1:33:53 PM

[up] Yes, it is such a world of pain, heart break, and pure evil... Pure evil...

I'm almost done, thank god, just got Classic no deaths, 8 Trophy Rush Fevers, Diddy's Rival Smash, 20 Crazy Orders, and a bunch of 'collect x amount of y' things, including money.

Money, when most of these challenges cost money to even try.

IrishZombie Since: Dec, 2009
#72077: Apr 7th 2015 at 1:42:35 PM

I have been trying for the past 3 hours to complete the "All-Star as Falcon on Normal or higher, no healing" challenge. I finally get to the final stage with about 200% damage. I end up on Pac-Land. I think to myself, "Oh, good. The AI's terrible on this stage". And indeed it was, and I was able to use that to my advantage.

Until suddenly OOPS, WE DECIDED TO SPAWN PAC-MAN DIRECTLY ABOVE YOU SO HE COULD USE A FIRE HYDRANT THE SPLIT-SECOND HE APPEARED. I GUESS YOU'RE DEAD NOW. TOO BAD.

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#72078: Apr 7th 2015 at 1:49:15 PM

I beat that first-try, strangely it was a lot harder to do the same with Zero Suit Samus on EASY.

Also, the insta-hydrant happened to me as well on Isle Delfino, and I WAS SO MAD!

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#72079: Apr 7th 2015 at 1:50:01 PM

This is why I don't bother with Challenges...

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#72080: Apr 7th 2015 at 1:51:20 PM

The only reason I bothered with them in this installment is that last one I put all my completionist efforts into the Subspace Emissary.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#72082: Apr 7th 2015 at 2:01:30 PM

I'm going back and forth on whether to bother with the challenges. I don't think I can do everyone on All Stars Hard. Can you hammer that one?

I just figured out the real reason for the ballot. It's not about learning who is popular (though it might give them a nudge on who to give priority to). It's about creating buzz and getting people to talk about the game. You've got indies to fellow publishers to rivals in the console space chatting about who to add. That kind of visibility is always nice, and they barely have to put in any effort.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#72083: Apr 7th 2015 at 2:10:56 PM

Yeah, I don't care much for All-Star Mode or really any of SSB 4's singleplayer content.

All-Star Mode in particular suffers from being horribly misbalanced, with characters like Bowser having an easy time and characters like Meta Knight having a horrible time, it teaches bad habits (Spamming smash attacks to win), and that aforementioned problem of enemies being able to attack the same frame they spawn, which is problematic when Pac-Man immediately drops a fire hydrant on you (That's happened to me many times) or other such things. And the AI is sometimes very annoying, like Dededes that do nothing but spam Gordo Toss or Robins that just run away the whole fight to charge Thoron. Furthermore, the only real challenge comes from the fact that you're fighting multiple enemies at once, meaning they can trap you in combos just by hitting you with a weak attack.

The Event Matches usually aren't that bad on their own, but the secondary conditions pertaining to time limits are garbage. It sometimes feels like the AI will deliberately tone down its aggression just to stall you out of time. Like All-Star they also suffer from the same problem of enemies attacking the moment they spawn, giving you no chance to react.

Classic was better back when most of the matches were one-on-one or had interesting conditions. Now it's just 8-player Smashes on annoyingly-small stages with Gang Up on the Human largely present.

edited 7th Apr '15 2:27:38 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#72084: Apr 7th 2015 at 2:12:09 PM

A lot of the challenges are unnecessary. Unless you like music or trophies or equipment.

Though there are plenty of badges I can go without.

edited 7th Apr '15 2:12:25 PM by Keybreak

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#72085: Apr 7th 2015 at 2:24:57 PM

[up][up]At least the 3DS game got it more-or-less right in terms of the single player stuff- If it had to be that only one of the two versions got it right, I'm glad it's this one.

I sure said that!
KSoniK Since: Jan, 2015
#72086: Apr 7th 2015 at 3:24:24 PM

ack before Chrom was deconfirmed, a lot of people argued that he would be a bad addition because he would be another swordfighter, while other people argued that he could easily be distinguished with something or other. There are plenty of sword styles after all, and you could make Chrom summon his teammates or whatnot. But if you ask me, the reason Robin was made playable instead is not that Chrom is another swordfighter (which also goes for Shulk), but that Chrom is another Fire Emblem lord with blue hair and a heroic attitude

Didn't stop Ike in Brawl. The thing about Chrom was that Sakurai really did feel that Chrom didn't have anything inherently unique about him from a gameplay and moveset point-of-view, not because of superficial similarities that have nothing to do with gameplay diversity such as blue hair and attitude (The Ice Climbers, R.O.B. and Mr. Game and Watch have no personality and that didn't stop them from making it into a Smash game in the first place). If, say, Chrom's Falcion was a sword with the ability to charge up and store up extra energy power for more strength and speed, being able to translate itself into a meter-managing gamplay style similar to C. Viper in Mv C 3, he wouldn't be seen as another sword-fighter.

BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Oh hai TV Tropes
#72087: Apr 7th 2015 at 3:44:17 PM

Classic was better back when most of the matches were one-on-one or had interesting conditions. Now it's just 8-player Smashes on annoyingly-small stages with Gang Up on the Human largely present.

Now that you mention it, I wonder why they didn't bother to include any of the actual 8-Player Smash stages, like Palutena's Temple, Big Battlefield, and The Great Cave Offensive. Hell, to unlock Dark Pit in Wii U you have to fight him on the first stage.

Come on, Sakurai.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#72088: Apr 7th 2015 at 3:48:00 PM

Classic isn't really Classic anymore.

It's like Neo-Classic.

True Classic had the same opponents in the same order with the same conditions every time. But there's probably way too many fighters now to reasonably fight all of them or even just the starters.

Melee and Brawl Classic were more inclusive, but you still fought the same "family" of fighters in the same place.

edited 7th Apr '15 3:48:16 PM by Keybreak

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Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#72089: Apr 7th 2015 at 3:52:34 PM

...For the record "true Classic" was only used for literally the first game. As early as Melee did they have the fighters for each round be randomized, which at most there being a Giant X half way through and a Metal X and a Fighting Dude Team towards the end.

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Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#72090: Apr 7th 2015 at 3:56:15 PM

I voted for Travis Touchdown. I don't think there's enough hyper for him to win though.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#72091: Apr 7th 2015 at 4:11:00 PM

[up][up]Melee had the best Classic mode- The format was the basic-but-very-good regular 1-on-1, special match, 1-on-1, special match every time, but the opponents and allies were always randomized so it stayed fairly fresh.

Brawl's was less good- It's set up so you fight from a limited pool of opponents in any match, so Round 1 is always against a Zelda character and round 4 is always against either a Mother or Fire Emblem character, with the special matches being applied at random- You could start off on a match against Zelda and Link with Ganondorf as your buddy in Brawl's Classic.

Smash 3DS has a decent one, though perhaps its best feature is a combination of variability- You choose between easy, medium and occasionally hard paths to each node on the map- And its brevity.

I sure said that!
Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#72092: Apr 7th 2015 at 4:22:14 PM

Wait, so what is Smash Wii U's like?

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Ekimmak Since: Nov, 2010
#72094: Apr 7th 2015 at 4:33:20 PM

It's a tournament. You see everybody you'll be fighting from the start, and they tend to gang up.

What's worse, is that you see who has prizes that you get if you KO them, but ONLY if you KO them. If someone else gets the kill, no prize for you. If they get KO'd before you get to fight them, no prize for you.

It says that letting you rival grow strong gets better rewards, but they're still just as possible to be eliminated before you fight them.

Hungryguy I am a Rad Reptile. from inside a cheese wheel Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
I am a Rad Reptile.
#72095: Apr 7th 2015 at 4:52:27 PM

I've only ever had my Rival be defeated before I can face him once. I did not know it was possible.

Call me butter, because I am on a roll! 3ds friend code: 5258-0885-3903 Wii U: Bowser Charizard
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#72096: Apr 7th 2015 at 5:02:08 PM

I honestly don't mind Wii-U's classic mode.

Though admittedly I'd like to have some more 1 on 1 matches in it.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#72097: Apr 7th 2015 at 5:43:58 PM

Wii U's classic mode would be better if the 5+ player smash was a one-time thing instead of par the course in most matches.

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
goldmonkey 1000 chords and the truth from under your bed. Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
1000 chords and the truth
#72098: Apr 7th 2015 at 5:51:12 PM

So, who do you guys want to be the next Dlc character?

Louder than God's revolver and twice as shiny.
ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#72099: Apr 7th 2015 at 5:56:56 PM

Ridley.

Or someone from Bravely Default.

Or an incredibly minor third party character nobody but me expected or wanted and which causes endless rage.

Eldrake Since: Oct, 2009
#72100: Apr 7th 2015 at 5:59:14 PM

Who else would I vote but the big guy himself?

edited 7th Apr '15 5:59:27 PM by Eldrake


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