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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#71826: Apr 5th 2015 at 12:21:13 PM

[up][up][up] Well it's just a list that came out of a number of people telling who they voted on. Nothing really that important but it's a way to know more or less how things are going.

I'm amazed Shovel Knight is so ahead of everyone else though.

Machamp and Hawlucha? I mean, I know Greninja opened the floodgates, but still....

I see what you did there.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#71827: Apr 5th 2015 at 12:27:04 PM

That list is so full of absolutely atrocious choices it's not even funny. (EDIT: Referring to the "Viable Contenders List", though obviously true for the other one, too.)

Why do people insist on making every minor creature that ever appeared in a Mario game or vaguely Mario-related game playable anyway?

We also have enough Pokemon. And enough Kirby and Kid Icarus and even Zelda characters. And with Wolf likely returning, more than enough Star Fox.

edited 5th Apr '15 12:28:23 PM by Fawriel

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#71828: Apr 5th 2015 at 12:30:08 PM

[up] I don't think three characters for a franchise over-represents it, plus Krystal would add another female to the roster.

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Kuroxeng Moved accounts because meh from error 040 Since: Mar, 2015
Moved accounts because meh
#71829: Apr 5th 2015 at 12:31:55 PM

I'm not too surprised of Shovel Knight's popularity. He got hyped up a lot, Shovel Knight got named Indie Game of 2014 and the game still has upcoming free DLC coming over and is generating hype with getting ported to other systems.

I'm wondering if I should vote for him. It could secure a character I like to be noticed, but I could also use my vote to help somebody who needs it more.

[up]Three isn't much at all. But still a comfortable amount if there wasn't any clonelyness going on. No hate on clones or anything, but can't really count them as a "proper" roster slot since they aren't different enough to me. Of course, clones are fine with having slightly different properties, but I'd like to see three characters from the same series being more diverse than Fox and Falco being so similar.

Ohh, Crystal would be a good one to vote for! Just grab all the staff moves and then some more from Starfox Adventures and give them to her!

edited 5th Apr '15 12:35:36 PM by Kuroxeng

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#71830: Apr 5th 2015 at 12:35:51 PM

and even Zelda characters.
I sorta disagree but I also don't really know who could augment the current lineup- Vaati and Impa are the only other major recurring characters I can think of, and as much as I like them they're nowhere near the big three.

I sure said that!
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#71831: Apr 5th 2015 at 12:36:26 PM

[up][up]Krystal would be the most different since, as you said, she could be given her staff (that Fox stole) from Adventures.

Falco's main difference is that he jumps higher, has some variants of Fox's base specials (namely Blaster and Reflector), his Landmaster lasts longest (and hovers in the air better), and his A-attacks are different.

edited 5th Apr '15 12:38:22 PM by powerpuffbats

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#71832: Apr 5th 2015 at 12:49:04 PM

I'm wondering if I should vote for him. It could secure a character I like to be noticed, but I could also use my vote to help somebody who needs it more.
A 3rd-party character who's very new and very much not Japanese is in need of every help he can get, make no mistake just because he's at the top of an unofficial, English-language poll.

I don't think three characters for a franchise over-represents it, plus Krystal would add another female to the roster.
Krystal instead of Wolf would be fine with me, but we're getting Wolf because it means less work and a lot of people want him because ... they already had him.

Three characters is a lot for a franchise that's only really famous for one installment and has since only been desperately trying to recapture that success. Most of all, though, I'm concerned about what they actually add. I won't call them "clones". It's not about movesets. But I think the roster has enough tiny animal people in space pilot uniforms with laser guns. Give me more different franchises. Give me more personality.

I sorta disagree but I also don't really know who could augment the current lineup- Vaati and Impa are the only other major recurring characters I can think of, and as much as I like them they're nowhere near the big three.
If it had been up to me, I honestly would've replaced Sheik with Tetra. The moveset can be kept basically intact with some reflavoring and it would've added more than a stand-alone Sheik, I think. ... Though of course people would've complained.

But yeah, as much as I like Zelda, I'd still much rather see more of franchises that aren't as well-represented yet. And I love Midna, but it'd be strange to have her as a one-off character right next to the timeless existing characters who are all wielders of the Triforce.

Paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#71833: Apr 5th 2015 at 1:00:37 PM

Um excuse me Faw, but Wonder Red was on that viable characters list.

I expect a 3 page hand written apology letter by tomorrow morning.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#71834: Apr 5th 2015 at 1:00:49 PM

Say, y'know what'd be nice? If the Ice Climbers still absolutely positively can't be included, I'd like to see Alice. Sakurai's already done a lot of melding between Balloon Fight and Ice Climber, so it sorta-kinda-almost would be like having an Ice Climber rep.

Or maybe I'm talking nonsense and the sleep dep's been getting to me

I sure said that!
BloatedCreeper The One and Many from Area N Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
The One and Many
#71835: Apr 5th 2015 at 1:01:32 PM

I'm mostly just facepalming over how many people voted for Ice Climbers.

I'm the guy who knows how to make games but doesn't. 3DS FC: 2878-9776-7579
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#71836: Apr 5th 2015 at 1:05:28 PM

To be fair, a lot of people probably don't know why they aren't in.

Um excuse me Faw, but Wonder Red was on that viable characters list.

I expect a 3 page hand written apology letter by tomorrow morning.

As soon as you show me the part where I said that every character on that list was terrible!

edited 5th Apr '15 1:06:16 PM by Fawriel

KSoniK Since: Jan, 2015
#71837: Apr 5th 2015 at 1:12:07 PM

Three isn't much at all. But still a comfortable amount if there wasn't any clonelyness going on. No hate on clones or anything, but can't really count them as a "proper" roster slot since they aren't different enough to me. Of course, clones are fine with having slightly different properties, but I'd like to see three characters from the same series being more diverse than Fox and Falco being so similar

Wolf is different from Fox and Falco.tongue

edited 5th Apr '15 1:12:24 PM by KSoniK

Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Konknitive Dissonance
#71838: Apr 5th 2015 at 1:12:41 PM

Wait, voting again from the same device replaces your previous vote? D:

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#71839: Apr 5th 2015 at 1:14:30 PM

[up][up][up][up] To be fair, the only reason the Ice Climbers aren't in is because there were issues getting them to work on the 3DS. In the hypothetical scenario where said issues get fixed, then the Ice Climbers could just be thrown back in.

Not likely, of course, but ya know.

Also, I know Fox and Falco and Wolf aren't "clones" but for the love of God give them different Final Smashes. Do we really need 3 different Landmasters?

[up]Yeah.

edited 5th Apr '15 1:15:29 PM by Watchtower

Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Konknitive Dissonance
#71840: Apr 5th 2015 at 1:17:33 PM

... Ah crap.

I gotta vote for Bayonetta, Magolor, and Lip again on different devices, then...

Kuroxeng Moved accounts because meh from error 040 Since: Mar, 2015
Moved accounts because meh
#71841: Apr 5th 2015 at 1:21:01 PM

A 3rd-party character who's very new and very much not Japanese is in need of every help he can get, make no mistake just because he's at the top of an unofficial, English-language poll.
Fair point.

So, for Shovelry, or for Furry Krystal...?

[down]There ya go.

Full picture version here.

edited 5th Apr '15 1:24:49 PM by Kuroxeng

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Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Konknitive Dissonance
#71842: Apr 5th 2015 at 1:22:08 PM

Could you please share that avatar with me, Kuro?

WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#71843: Apr 5th 2015 at 1:22:46 PM

The fact that the Viable Contenders List spells Magikoopa as "Magi-Koopa" triggers me.

Also, Doshin is from Doshin The Giant. You 'muricans don't know about him because it wasn't released in 'murica.

edited 5th Apr '15 1:23:11 PM by WackyPancake

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#71844: Apr 5th 2015 at 1:24:36 PM

Should I play Shovel Knight? I've been off 2D platformers for a long time now and I'm wondering if it's worth my time.

edited 5th Apr '15 1:27:23 PM by Keybreak

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Kuroxeng Moved accounts because meh from error 040 Since: Mar, 2015
Moved accounts because meh
#71845: Apr 5th 2015 at 1:27:31 PM

Do you enjoy 2D action platformers? It's kind of like a Megaman game, but not as punishing. At first.

There are worse things to spend 10€ on out there. Like a good chunk of the "never heard of this" e-shop titles.

COUGHCOUGHmemerunCOUGH

edited 5th Apr '15 1:30:31 PM by Kuroxeng

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#71846: Apr 5th 2015 at 1:42:50 PM

Fair point.

So, for Shovelry, or for Furry...?

As noble an endeavor as the latter may be, Shovelry is the way to go here.

Wolf is different from Fox and Falco.tongue
Also, I know Fox and Falco and Wolf aren't "clones" but for the love of God give them different Final Smashes. Do we really need 3 different Landmasters?
I really wish more people started caring less about movesets and more about flavor and personality. It really feels like I'm speaking a different language a lot of the time... Movesets are so arbitrary. You could conceivably make every character in the roster a space animal. Heck, you could give Krystal, I dunno, Link's exact moveset, down to every frame and hitbox and damage percent, the only difference being the animations and that the attacks don't make a slicing sound-effect. Heck, you could make her Little Mac if you wanted to. All you would have to change are the animations associated with all the hitboxes and their associated data.

I mean, those are just examples to show how weird it is to judge characters by movesets. I mean are the final smashes really the thing that matters here?

... Okay, I have to admit I'm kind of confusing myself here, but the point I'm trying to make is that a silly character with a shovel and bravado from a series with a unique style and personality is always and forever preferable to a character who is in some arbitrary ways possibly a little different from the similar characters that are already there.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#71847: Apr 5th 2015 at 2:04:42 PM

[up]I just want another rep for a franchise I love.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#71848: Apr 5th 2015 at 2:13:21 PM

So, checking some stuff, and I found a vid on Youtube that linked to this: An early results pie graph from Japan

Key thing I took away from this: K. Rool's dominating both East and West.

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#71849: Apr 5th 2015 at 2:20:06 PM

Wow, the Japanese really want inklings in the game too.

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#71850: Apr 5th 2015 at 2:23:37 PM

[up] The Inklings are actually at the lowest end of that chart.

Also just ran into this, and damn is 3rd party support kicking up.


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