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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#71328: Mar 31st 2015 at 9:05:41 PM

Do you guys think a hypothetical patch relegating Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, and Lucina to the alternate costumes they were initially going to be would sit well with the fans?

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#71329: Mar 31st 2015 at 9:07:19 PM

I can't speak for "the fans," but it wouldn't sit well with me.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#71330: Mar 31st 2015 at 9:13:36 PM

A: Why?

B: Let's keep this simple. No.

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#71331: Mar 31st 2015 at 9:19:51 PM

Well, here they won't be axed per se; they'll just share character slots with Mario, Pit, and Marth, their respective parent characters.

It certainly wouldn't sit well with people who main the clones—especially myself, since I play as both vanilla Mario and Dr. Mario—but there may be a Vocal Minority of sorts who might find them better off as mere Palette Swaps.

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#71332: Mar 31st 2015 at 9:22:02 PM

I wouldn't be happy about that. Outside of my main three (soon to be four) Dr. Mario is one of the only other characters I'm actually competent with.

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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#71333: Mar 31st 2015 at 9:26:04 PM

Well, here they won't be axed per se; they'll just share character slots with Mario, Pit, and Marth, their respective parent characters.

But it would just be so...utterly pointless. Like, it would literally just be a minor change to the character selection interface. What would it accomplish?

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#71334: Mar 31st 2015 at 9:30:36 PM

The fact that you put quotes there make me think you might not be 100% certain.

It's a reference to a Sakurai interview that both addresses it and establishes why you shouldn't get your hopes up.

[up][up]The idea seems to be that the character 'changes' would still exist, but they just wouldn't take up any more space on the screen.

Even as someone who doesn't care for them at best, though, I can't see that being taken as anything other than random mean-spirited-ness. Which is already there to begin with considering the Clone Corner, but still.

edited 31st Mar '15 9:39:31 PM by Demonfly

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#71336: Mar 31st 2015 at 9:35:22 PM

[up] x4 Using Dr. Tornado is a lot of fun, and its high priority definitely helps. Lackluster recovery notwithstanding, I love the fact that Dr. Mario in this game is basically what he was intended to be in Melee—a slower, stronger Mario.

[up][up][up] If the DYKG video on Smash done by Xander Mobus is any indication, Sakurai actually needed to separate them so Dr. Mario could use his Megavitamins, Dark Pit would have his Electroshock Arm, and Lucina, unlike Marth, wouldn't have a tipper sweetspot. Not separating them would cause them to have the exact same moves as the original fighters.

edited 31st Mar '15 9:37:54 PM by BurntMario

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#71337: Mar 31st 2015 at 9:38:01 PM

the DYKG video on Smash done by Xander Mobus

...That's a thing? Why haven't I seen this yet?

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#71338: Mar 31st 2015 at 9:40:47 PM

[up][up]...Are you arguing against yourself right now, or...?

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#71339: Mar 31st 2015 at 9:40:54 PM

[up][up][up]I've never really had a problem with his recovery unless any other character would also fallen short. He's also useful for being almost immune to projectile edgeguarding since he can grab the edge while using Side B. And the fact that it doesn't stop his momentum means that you're probably going to reflect any projectile aimed at you.

edited 31st Mar '15 9:41:15 PM by Hungryguy

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#71340: Mar 31st 2015 at 9:41:06 PM

[up][up][up] Yes. I think it was posted here a while ago.

edited 31st Mar '15 9:41:45 PM by BurntMario

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#71341: Mar 31st 2015 at 9:51:06 PM

As the game progressed, there was a desire to give these characters more varied powers, such as Dr. Mario's pills and Dark Pit's Electroshock Arm

And Megaman's bombs, blades, birds oh wait

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#71342: Mar 31st 2015 at 11:38:20 PM

[up] On the other hand, the different properties carries over to their custom specials as well (even if they're more-or-less the same customs as the originals anyways). Best seen with Dr. Mario's neutral, side, and down special customs.

edited 31st Mar '15 11:38:33 PM by Folt

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#71343: Apr 1st 2015 at 5:11:53 AM

Why would you make Dark Pit, Dr. Mario and Lucina into costumes? They all have gameplay differences from their clones.

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#71344: Apr 1st 2015 at 5:17:51 AM

Taking out fighters from a game they're already in really has no point. Even if everyone didn't like them, they're still part of the game. They're not like glitches or bad gimmicks.

Fighters are people too.

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TroPartner Since: Nov, 2014
#71345: Apr 1st 2015 at 5:22:55 AM

Couldn't we just have the gameplay differences with the alternate costumes? After all, in Brawl, ZSS was actually selectable right from the start of the match, and Nintendo didn't have any problem pointing out all eight koopalings, seeing that Bowser Jr.'s name changes accordingly.

edited 1st Apr '15 5:24:13 AM by TroPartner

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#71346: Apr 1st 2015 at 5:31:22 AM

1- Zero Suit Samus was a (strangely working) transformation character like Zelda and Shiek. Not an alt costume.

2- You can't have alternate costume have gameplay differences of any kind with its original costume. Bowser Jr./The Koopalings and Olimar/Alph are completely identical. That's not the case for Dr. Mario, Lucina, and Pittoo.

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#71347: Apr 1st 2015 at 5:38:32 AM

[up][up] Basically [up]. Alph and the Koopalings (and the Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, and Robin's genderswaps) play exactly the same, while the "clones" all have at least one difference from their parent (though it might not mean that they actually play different or might even be inferior, it means that they have something that differs from their parent character all the same).

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#71348: Apr 1st 2015 at 5:41:31 AM

I mean, I'd not be opposed to implementing those characters as alternate costumes in the virtually-inevitable next game, but absolutely not in Smash 4 patches. That's just not a good plan. Once the cat's outta the bag, it's not really feasible to put it back in.

edited 1st Apr '15 5:48:43 AM by Pulse

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Ekimmak Since: Nov, 2010
#71349: Apr 1st 2015 at 5:46:31 AM

Yeah, cats tend to scratch and bite when you try to do that.

And not much is cattier than a fandom.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#71350: Apr 1st 2015 at 6:22:42 AM

Being someone who mains Lucina and Pittoo, I'd object to them being alternate costumes.

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