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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#71076: Mar 27th 2015 at 6:42:39 PM

Psst. Meta Knight is still high tier.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#71077: Mar 27th 2015 at 6:44:43 PM

...You just recently posted a tier list placing him mid-low.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#71078: Mar 27th 2015 at 6:45:18 PM

[up][up]Only after a patch. Granted, they didn't have as much time to evaluate him, but... whatevs.

edited 27th Mar '15 6:45:31 PM by MightyMatilda

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#71079: Mar 27th 2015 at 6:57:50 PM

He isn't terrible overall, but All-Star is really, really not his best place to be- That mode is basically the space between most of Multi-Man Smash and Cruel Smash, with basically everyone fought being a Glass Cannon.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#71080: Mar 27th 2015 at 7:04:32 PM

Meta Knight is currently the one character everybody thought was trash and is now slowly raising to high tier status again as people found out that hey, maybe we should still try playing with him after the nerfs. Kinda like Greninja post 1.0.4

Meta Knight can kill very easily in a regular match. He can very easily drag the opponent upwards with his multiple jumps and up-air and finish them off with a Shuttle Loop. Also his dash attack is completely safe to use since he goes right through the opponent's shield.

Also Dimensional Cape makes Meta Knight impossible to juggle

The only people who think MK is anything below mid-high are people who don't actually know the character.

edited 27th Mar '15 7:04:53 PM by FullMoon

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#71081: Mar 27th 2015 at 7:44:32 PM

I wasn't talking about Meta Knight in regular matches, yeah. He's not that bad there.

But All-Star? Horrible. Maybe even the worst, though I haven't given everyone a try yet.

Robin's also pretty bad in All-Star Mode; it's all about spamming Smash Attacks, and that's the one thing Robin cannot do. Even though I main Robin he gave me quite a bit of trouble.

edited 27th Mar '15 7:45:22 PM by Anomalocaris20

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TroPartner Since: Nov, 2014
#71082: Mar 27th 2015 at 7:48:40 PM

Have you ever tried tilt/strong-attacks? They typically have less start-up time. For example, Captain Falcon's side smash is a nightmare to land due to the start-up, while side-tilt launches immediately. A good alternative when you know you don't have the time for a smash attack.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#71083: Mar 27th 2015 at 7:51:03 PM

Most tilt moves aren't kill moves.

Unless you're Falcondorf, in which case you're probably mowing through the mode anyway.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#71084: Mar 27th 2015 at 7:54:13 PM

Meta Knight's tilts don't kill in All-Star.

Everyone whose tilts are good for KO's there- Bowser, Ganondorf, Little Mac -are better off scoring OHKO's with Smash Attacks. Even on Hard Mode they can do that.

All-Star Mode is very much unbalanced.

edited 27th Mar '15 7:54:37 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#71085: Mar 27th 2015 at 8:16:44 PM

Yeah, I know.

Beating All-Star on Normal without healing items was a breeze for Captain Falcon. But Zero Suit Samus on Easy? Much less so.

edited 27th Mar '15 8:18:02 PM by Numbuh1234

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#71086: Mar 27th 2015 at 8:19:45 PM

Yeah, it's not just about having launchers but having the right kind of launchers.

If it's not a good ol' 45 degree blast-off attack or maybe a 90 degree shot, it'll probably have problems.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#71087: Mar 27th 2015 at 8:48:11 PM

It's not just the player characters who are unbalanced. The threat levels of the enemies are way out of proportion.

All-Star Mode makes it so their attacks deal significantly less damage and knockback. Even on Hard Mode you can survive a smash attack at 200% damage. But for whatever goddamn reason, enemy projectiles are unaffected and hit at full force.

This makes enemies with powerful KO projectiles, such as Samus and King Dedede, into dangerous threats, enemies with projectile-smash attacks, such as Villager, Olimar, and Mega Man, into nightmares if they get a good AI assignment, and close-range brawlers like Ike and DK who would normally be dangerous at high percentage into laughingstocks.

Every time I lose All-Star Mode, it's never to something like a punch from DK or a dropkick from Bowser. It's from Samus sniping me with a charge shot, Olimar hitting me with just about any of his attacks, Villager dropping a bowling ball on my foot, or in one particularly infuriating instance Pac-Man throwing a key at me while I was hitstunned by Mario. They simply cannot win any other way.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Hungryguy I am a Rad Reptile. from inside a cheese wheel Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
I am a Rad Reptile.
#71088: Mar 27th 2015 at 8:56:55 PM

I cannot count how many times I lost All-Star because of Mega Man.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#71089: Mar 27th 2015 at 9:03:35 PM

I've only ever lost to Samus, thinking back on it. Either she gets me with a full-powered Charge Shot while occupied elsewhere or she distracts me long enough for Zelda to blast me off with Din's Fire.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#71090: Mar 27th 2015 at 9:21:34 PM

So that explains why Olimar kept kicking my ass.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#71091: Mar 27th 2015 at 9:25:37 PM

I thought it was because he wanted revenge for no longer being final boss

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#71092: Mar 27th 2015 at 9:27:02 PM

Yeah, all of Olimar's smash attacks and some of his aerials count as projectiles for that, so he's hitting at full power most of the time.

As of late he's been my most dangerous adversary in All-Star Mode. The fact that he's in the same round as Villager, another big danger, doesn't help.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#71093: Mar 27th 2015 at 9:31:51 PM

In my opinion by far the worse section of All-Star is Stage 3.

Every single time I get lots and lots of damage, and so many runs ended there. Once I nearly made it to %300 before getting KO'd, that was so horrible...

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#71094: Mar 27th 2015 at 9:42:37 PM

My single most hated character in All-Star is Pikachu, followed by Ness.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#71095: Mar 27th 2015 at 9:48:32 PM

Stage 3 can be pretty bad, especially if you get a Pikachu who spams Thunder Jolt or a Sheik who spams those bomb thingies.

The beginning of Stage 4 is also a pain; you immediately get peppered with blaster fire from Falco and Fox, and while you're stunlocked in Falco's blasts Meta Knight gets close and adds his sword to the mix. And then King Dedede comes in next and begins smacking Gordos everywhere, which will kill you if you took too much damage prior.

Thankfully, Kirby and Sonic are incredibly easy to deal with.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#71096: Mar 27th 2015 at 9:53:50 PM

Charizard's Flamethrower is great at leaving you vulnerable to being ganged on too.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#71097: Mar 27th 2015 at 10:08:36 PM

[up][up]I've only ever had trouble with that portion of All-Star if certain layouts of Gamer is the stage used. Some are fine, but enough have caves of live formed by the ceilings that it can be a problem.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#71098: Mar 27th 2015 at 10:22:40 PM

Just had a rough time clearing it as Samus. Don't know why, since she's pretty decent. I guess I just got a lot of bad luck with the AI's randomly assigned personalities (Another thing to hate about this mode).

Only have a few more left before I can be rid of this horrible mode.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#71099: Mar 27th 2015 at 10:36:07 PM

The worse part is that 'beat All-Star with everyone on Hard' doesn't specify True All-Star, meaning you could unlock everyone but Duck-Hunt Duo (since they need to beat True-All-Star Mode anyways), and go through it with all of them, and only have to beat True All-Star on Hard once to get it (twice, actually, since another challenge has it for a different character).

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#71100: Mar 27th 2015 at 10:46:29 PM

I was only able to beat All Star once as Mii Brawler.

My friend and I attempted it as Lucina and Dark Pit, but we got beaten at around stage 5.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!

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