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CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#70651: Mar 17th 2015 at 9:43:11 PM

I'd elevate everyone fromt he Kid Icarus franchise up a notch, since they did have a game recently that got quite a bit of buzz and a fandom.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#70652: Mar 17th 2015 at 9:53:23 PM

Pokemon are too low (arguably even Pikachu). Samus and Wario are too high.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#70653: Mar 17th 2015 at 10:00:12 PM

I really don't see how the Awakening characters are as high as they are when you put Kid Icarus's entire represented cast right under them.

edited 17th Mar '15 10:00:53 PM by Demonfly

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#70654: Mar 17th 2015 at 10:15:15 PM

Yeah, the Pokemon are way too low...except for Greninja, who probably needs to be kicked down a tier.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#70655: Mar 17th 2015 at 11:51:26 PM

I know this is a smidge tangential, but, hey, guys, that whole DIY repair thing a page back? Don't try it, unless you want to find yourself in the market for a protective sleeve for your controller.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#70656: Mar 18th 2015 at 6:22:06 AM

I was more going for the franchise getting a new game. So that's why the Awakening characters are as high as they are as Fire Emblem itself is likely to get another game. Kid Icarus isn't that likely, but I could move them up a notch as Uprising is about as recent. Pikachu is known in the public conscience, so that automatically puts him in the top tier. I don't know if the general public can tell you who the other Pokemon are, though.

edited 18th Mar '15 6:22:20 AM by powerpuffbats

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#70657: Mar 18th 2015 at 8:16:30 AM

How do I put this? Charizard and Mewtwo are bigger than everyone except Mario and Pikachu. Certainly bigger than jokes like Link and Yoshi. Greninja's debut games have probably outsold the entire Metroid and Fire Emblem series. Pokemon has the cross media exposure none of the other series have. Last gen Mario may have been king, but this gen Pokemon XY will probably be Nintendo's highest selling games. Pikachu is bigger than Mario right now, and a proper mobile Pokemon of some kind would make a bigger splash than mobile Mario. I could argue that Charizard is Nintendo's most popular character in the west right now. The series is on a completely different level from all the others. There's a reason there's an entire separate billion dollar corporation managing the franchise.

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#70658: Mar 18th 2015 at 10:20:56 AM

Greninja is currently in a phase where he's getting more and more popular each day, little by little.

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#70659: Mar 18th 2015 at 11:18:23 AM

[up] True, Greninja is to Gen VI what Blaziken was to Gen III, but I don't think it's quite there...at least, not yet. Soon enough it'll enter the fairly obscure/fairly well known tier.

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#70660: Mar 18th 2015 at 12:57:47 PM

The top tier of "well known" is basically what I think is in the conscience of the general mainstream public. The tier right below that is for general gaming public: The ones that don't only game on smartphones, but are casual fans of franchises. I'm not too sure if Charizard and Mewtwo are known amongst the mainstream public (the ones that think that geeks are like the ones shown in The Big Bang Theory or something like that).

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#70661: Mar 18th 2015 at 1:17:24 PM

Charizard and Mewtwo are bigger than everyone else in Smash except Pikachu and maybe Mario and Luigi. Putting anyone else on the same level of the original 151 is disrespectful of the king. DK, Yoshi, Link, and Kirby are absolutely nothing compared to Charizard. It's not even a contest.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#70662: Mar 18th 2015 at 1:31:53 PM

Revised list:

  • pop culture icons (known amongst the general public): Mario, Luigi, Pikachu, Sonic, Pac Man, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Link, Kirby
  • well known (General GAMING public will know these characters):Wario, Samus, Bowser Jr, Rosalina and Luma, Diddy Kong, Zelda, Sheik, Ganondorf, Meta Knight, Dedede, Jigglypuff, Lucario, Greninja, Zero Suit Samus, Toon Link, Mega Man, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, Charizard, Mewtwo
  • Obscure (not well known, but likely to have another game/ have had a recent entry): Fox, Falco, Marth, Ike, Lucina, Robin, Olimar, Pit, Palutena, Dark Pit
  • Really obscure (not likely to appear in anything outside of Smash): Captain Falcon, Ness, Mr. Game and Watch, R.O.B, Little Mac, Shulk (though this is by virtue of his franchise only having one game so far, so could upgrade to "Obscure"), Duck Hunt

I think Sonic and Pac Man are too big to not have on the highest tier. ESPECIALLY Pac Man given how insanely popular his debut game was. I can be open to debating Sonic, though. Keep in mind that the order I list the characters in their respective categories means nothing, only the tier itself does.

Are Charizard and Mewtwo known amongst people who don't play video games? That's what the top tier of "pop culture icons" means.

edited 18th Mar '15 2:33:16 PM by powerpuffbats

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#70663: Mar 18th 2015 at 1:57:19 PM

Sterok, I think you're selling Pokemon a bit too highly. Yes, it's popular, but it's still second to Mario. A non gamer is more likely to recognize a goomba than a rattata. And why would DK be less well known than Mario? The first game was named after him.

Anywho, Cap and Mac could stand to move up a tier. Memes have kept the Cap alive, and Mac's last game is still fairly recent.

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#70664: Mar 18th 2015 at 2:01:00 PM

[up]So, I'm right in putting Charizard and Mewtwo in the second-highest tier? And I can safely put Peach, Bowser, Samus, DK, Yoshi and Link back into the top tier?

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#70665: Mar 18th 2015 at 2:03:55 PM

In the realm of video games Mario and Pokemon may be equal,with Mario having the advantage. But Mario doesn't have an anime, movies, manga, a card game, dedicated stores, or nearly as much merchandise as Pokemon. To the general public, Pokemon is bigger.

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#70666: Mar 18th 2015 at 2:13:29 PM

[up][up]I'd keep Samus where she is, but yes to the others.

[up]Doesn't mean people know who all the pokemon are. Walk up to some one with passive knowledge of pokemon and show them any that isn't Pikachu. I'm willing to bet that four times out of five, they won't know what it is.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#70667: Mar 18th 2015 at 2:14:22 PM

You're definitely exaggerating a little. The general public will recognize Mario and Pikachu. Charizard and Mewtwo are extremely popular among the people who grew up with Pokemon, which is a lot of people, but I can't imagine that anything but a small minority at most out of that group won't also recognize the likes of Link and Luigi. Mario and Pikachu are god-tier for being recognizable to anyone who's at all in contact with popular culture, at about the same level as Mickey Mouse. Anything below that, you're already getting into people who actually know the slightest bit about videogames.

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#70668: Mar 18th 2015 at 2:16:00 PM

Oh good, a debate about how arbitrarily popular one thing is or is not over another. Everybody's faaaaaaavorite.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#70669: Mar 18th 2015 at 2:22:34 PM

Without huge polls or other types of information, neither side has any evidence aside from, "Well, I think differently!".

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#70670: Mar 18th 2015 at 2:24:36 PM

I really don't think there's much to say, beyond that Mario can be called Mr. Video Game Himself within a Nintendo game and absolutely no one would call that presumptuous or prideful, just a statement of fact.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#70671: Mar 18th 2015 at 2:31:33 PM

[up][up][up][up]In all fairness, a lot of people do play IOS games. I think the majority of people can name Luigi, Link, Kirby, DK, Peach, Yoshi, and Bowser.

I think the issue when going into popularity of video games is because in America, stuff made by American studios generally sell more than most Japanese-made games, yet it's the complete opposite around Europe and Japan.

Plus, Video Games seem to be more popular in Japan given how Japan regularly gets live orchestral performances of video game tunes while we get orchestral performances of movie tracks. (or songs if you're not my old band teacher)

edited 18th Mar '15 2:38:00 PM by powerpuffbats

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#70672: Mar 18th 2015 at 2:41:24 PM

I honestly think Greninja is probably more well-known than Blaziken by now, if only because Greninja is playable in Smash and Blaziken isn't. Though at least Blaziken appears in the background of the Kalos Pokémon League.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#70673: Mar 18th 2015 at 3:07:34 PM

Are you asking which is the bigger video game franchise or which is the bigger media franchise? Between Mario and Pokemon you'll get different answers depending on which you ask. Both are gigantic overall of course, but Mario is very dependent on how well Nintendo is doing whereas Pokemon is a more stable franchise overall. And again, Pokemon has a billion dollar corporation managing its various aspects (for multiple reasons, but still).

Donkey Kong and Yoshi have an odd issue. Both are pretty big on paper and sell pretty well. But they're both in Mario's shadow and can't really stand out compared to him even when they're games sell millions. Meanwhile, Kirby doesn't sell as well as DK, but between the series's greater independence and its anime he's arguably a bigger star than those two.

On that note, where are those videos/reports of people trying to name all the Smash characters? That would probably be a good starting metric on who's more recognizable. I'm curious as to whether Charizard or Bowser is more recognizable.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#70674: Mar 18th 2015 at 3:09:51 PM

I'd be inclined to give the edge to Bowser. I imagine a lot of people wouldn't know his name, but on the other hand, without context, Charizard just looks pretty generic and wouldn't necessarily ring any Pokemon bells for unfamiliar people.

BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#70675: Mar 18th 2015 at 3:19:55 PM

Completely random, but I almost got a job working for a guy who's last name was Bowser. He was trying to start up a plant to make crates, pallets and stuff out of some sort of recycled & recyclable plastic/sawdust type material, I think.

I got a laugh whenever I saw his name on anything from that company tongue


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