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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#70626: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:48:00 PM

[up][up][up]I'll meet you halfway and admit that using the word canon in a Mario argument is dumb. They only have a very loosely defined canon at best. My own little Nintendo universe has the Mario series have a canon which doesn't have the USA version of 2 in it.

It's kinda funny that Nintendo's flagship franchise doesn't have much of a canon, while every other franchise (sans Smash, but that's not canon to Nintendo franchises to begin with) has one.

And I think at this point we should apply the MST3K Mantra.

edited 16th Mar '15 7:49:00 PM by powerpuffbats

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#70627: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:50:09 PM

@Zarek: Mario dreamed of things that exist in reality, such as grass, water, shy guys, and birdos.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#70628: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:53:32 PM

[up]We must also remember that Mario 2 wasn't actually a Mario game to begin with. It was turned into one because America refused to have Lost Levels, so Miyamoto turned Doki Doki Panic into a Mario game.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#70629: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:57:13 PM

For some reason, executives felt that Americans would be more receptive to a game that was actually possible to beat in fewer than 500 attempts.

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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#70630: Mar 16th 2015 at 7:57:37 PM

[up][up][up]Sure, I can buy that, but by extension we must then assume that any and everything depicted in Mario's dream is perfectly plausible in the "actual" Mario universe, including Peach being a flying BAMF.

[up][up]I mean yeah but that doesn't really have anything to do with the fictional universe the USA version depicts, does it?

By the way, I'm curious; does your Mario headcanon involve the original Japanese Mario 2?

edited 16th Mar '15 7:58:01 PM by Zarek

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#70631: Mar 16th 2015 at 8:01:24 PM

[up] I honestly never really think about Lost Levels as I like to pretend that game never existed...so likely not. I've heard it described as a fan hack of Mario 1 once.

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BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#70632: Mar 16th 2015 at 8:34:25 PM

@70628: Actually, our Mario 2 began as a Mario-style prototype centered around vertical platforming before it was developed into Doki Doki Panic.

To be fair to The Lost Levels, it introduced the extended version of the "Princess Rescued" music, which carried over to the Lost Levels medley in Smash Wii U, by far one of my favorite remixes in the game.

The Mario series indeed does have a very loose canon, but it does seem to have a defined beginning with Yoshi's Island. It's sort of like SpongeBob—the show itself has very little continuity, but you know that the episode where he gets his job at the Krusty Krab comes before everything else.

edited 16th Mar '15 8:36:31 PM by BurntMario

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TroPartner Since: Nov, 2014
#70633: Mar 17th 2015 at 6:17:14 AM

Lately, I've been in a big Captain Falcon hype. In addition to that Etika video I linked to earlier, I've started watching the anime, listening to music, watching gameplay and cutscenes. And I was saying "Hyes!" under my breath all day yesterday.

I think I might pick him up instead of Greninja.tongue

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#70634: Mar 17th 2015 at 6:23:14 AM

[up]I love the opening them to the anime...I honestly wish it was in Smash Bros since the ending and that theme are memes anyways.

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TroPartner Since: Nov, 2014
#70635: Mar 17th 2015 at 6:32:42 AM

And I hear there is very differing views on his personality. Some cite GX as the True Falcon, while others look at GP Legend, and the SNES comic, with the latter being the one shown in Smash.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#70636: Mar 17th 2015 at 6:35:51 AM

[up]What are his various personalities? I've not played GX's story, I've never seen the anime, nor have I read the comic.

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#70637: Mar 17th 2015 at 10:19:58 AM

The only true Mario canon is that Mario & Co. are actors like how Mickey Mouse and Co. are actors.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#70638: Mar 17th 2015 at 11:36:10 AM

So on Friday I learned that there would be a little Smash Bros contest at the anime and manga convention I was attending. Spent the whole evening nervous, spent the whole next morning super-nervous, had to wait for an hour until I got my turn, which was the last match of the first round... and because there were more participants than expected, each match for the first few rounds was just a four-way free-for-all, 1-out-of-1.

Since I figured he's better against crowds - at least on Omega stages - I picked Toon Link instead of Yoshi. ... The random stage selection of course promptly picked Great Cave Offensive, which is terrible for T-Link because there's no even terrain for projectiles and his light weight makes him easy to KO off the top, and is also terrible for me because of my ADHD, and sitting at a terrible angle didn't help - and I was right at the top with a Pikachu player who was right there in my face destroying me. So eventually I was just jumping around helplessly and cursing in frustration and got KO'd first despite probably being second-best in that match. ... An employee told me the next day that the little Asian kid playing the Pikachu actually went on to win the tournament, which was a bit of a moral victory at least, but man. This game just doesn't want me to love it the way I wish I could.

TroPartner Since: Nov, 2014
#70639: Mar 17th 2015 at 1:19:23 PM

[up][up][up] In GX, the Cap is portrayed much more strait-laced than what you see in the other games, as well as Smash. In GP (or so I heard) and the SNES comic, he has the memorable "Show me your moves!" Attitude, as well as that confident grin.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#70640: Mar 17th 2015 at 1:50:33 PM

[up][up]...They allowed default Offensive Great Cave in a tournament?

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#70641: Mar 17th 2015 at 2:28:49 PM

... as I said, it was just a small thing. Just a little thing at a games stand at a manga convention. Which is why I thought I might actually stand a chance of winning something. tongue

Items were off, though! That's something.

BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Oh hai TV Tropes
#70642: Mar 17th 2015 at 3:12:25 PM

[up] I guess someone forgot to press X.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#70643: Mar 17th 2015 at 3:30:32 PM

........ In hindsight, that would've been something to try, haha. But yeah, the guy in charge actually insisted on random stage selection. Shrug.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#70644: Mar 17th 2015 at 3:32:58 PM

I actually prefer playing the larger stages in Omega form unless it is 8 player Smash.

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BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#70645: Mar 17th 2015 at 3:37:56 PM

Well, The Great Cave Offensive and Palutena's Temple were specifically built for 8-Player Smash.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#70646: Mar 17th 2015 at 5:34:51 PM

I don't mind Great Cave Offensive since the danger zones mitigate the main issue of large stages, but Palutena's Temple is just too big for my liking. Temple should really be about the maximum size of a stage before it becomes burdensomely large.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#70647: Mar 17th 2015 at 5:38:17 PM

They have really nifty-looking Omega versions, at least?

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BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Oh hai TV Tropes
#70648: Mar 17th 2015 at 5:57:35 PM

Man, I've been seeing way too many Falcos on For Glory.

All this duck hunting lately has been stressful.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#70649: Mar 17th 2015 at 6:18:05 PM

... Well, dang.

I've apparently logged too much time into Smash all at once and now the hard plastic stickers over the screwholes on the grips of my Gamepad have fallen off. Time to break out the super glue and a paperclip.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#70650: Mar 17th 2015 at 8:37:10 PM

I've come up with a "tier list" of the well-known-ness/obscurity of the fighters in Smash 4

  • Well-known (known amongst the general public): Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Yoshi, Wario, Donkey Kong, Link, Samus, Kirby, Pikachu, Sonic, Pac Man
  • Fairly obscure/fairly well known(associated with the above characters, but not too known. General GAMING public will know these characters): Bowser Jr, Rosalina and Luma, Diddy Kong, Zelda, Sheik, Ganondorf, Meta Knight, Dedede, Charizard, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Lucario, Greninja, Zero Suit Samus, Toon Link, Mega Man, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer
  • Obscure (not well known, but likely to have another game): Fox, Falco, Marth, Ike, Lucina, Robin, Olimar, Pit, Palutena, Dark Pit
  • Really obscure (not likely to appear in anything outside of Smash): Captain Falcon, Ness, Mr. Game and Watch, R.O.B, Little Mac, Shulk (though this is by virtue of his franchise only having one game so far, so could upgrade to "Obscure"), Duck Hunt

What do you guys think of my so-called "Tier list" of obscurity?

edited 18th Mar '15 6:23:26 AM by powerpuffbats

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