TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Super Smash Bros.

Go To

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#70576: Mar 16th 2015 at 11:44:47 AM

I actually like that Peach uses traits that are considered traditionally feminine to kick ass. There's a lot of attempts to make "strong female characters" in recent fiction which lead to the "Man With Boobs" trope, which is a name I utterly hate and despise for multiple reasons, but the problem it identifies is an important one: there's an idea that traditional femininity is weak. Peach (in Smash, SPP, and a few Mario games, anyway) stands in stark contrast to that idea.

Oh good, we don't actually have a "Man With Boobs" page.

edited 16th Mar '15 11:45:35 AM by Zarek

"We're home, Chewie."
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#70577: Mar 16th 2015 at 11:47:19 AM

Peach is pretty traditional like that. The pink dresses, the parasols, the frying pans...she can just be classically girly when she wants to fight.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#70578: Mar 16th 2015 at 11:47:34 AM

[up][up] That's actually part of the reason I like Peach myself.

edited 16th Mar '15 11:47:40 AM by FullMoon

BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#70579: Mar 16th 2015 at 12:02:23 PM

Curiosity killed the cat Koopa.

I remember liking Peach in the Subspace emissary cut scenes. The first appearance of the villains and everyone is jumping dramatically onto the arena? She floats daintily down with her umbrella. People unexpectedly meeting up on the Halberd and tensions are high? Suddenly she's throwing a tea party. And it works!

I mostly attribute her captures to being the formula for platforming Mario games. She's pretty good in Super Mario RPG and any other games I've played where she's a playable character and not the end goal.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#70580: Mar 16th 2015 at 12:15:01 PM

My personal headcanon is that Peach/Mario and Bowser used to be enemies, but now they're all friends and the continued kidnapping is just tradition at this point. Bowser "kidnaps" Peach, they hang out while Mario goes on an adventurer, Mario "beats" Bowser and "saves" Peach, and then they go golfing or go-karting or Smashing. It's all in good fun.

"We're home, Chewie."
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#70581: Mar 16th 2015 at 12:16:15 PM

Paper Mario is also generally pretty good with giving her actual characterization to work with as well, regardless of her given situation.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#70582: Mar 16th 2015 at 1:01:44 PM

[up][up]I think it's variably more serious than that at times, but overall that really does seem to be the case. If nothing else, I doubt anyone really holds the repeated kidnappings against Bowser at this point, at least not for long.

I sure said that!
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#70583: Mar 16th 2015 at 1:37:32 PM

I loved those reactions that someone posted.

Though I now wonder how Palutena would react to Peach...she'd likely troll the other females by saying that she likes how Peach gets kidnapped by Bowser every day.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#70584: Mar 16th 2015 at 1:47:44 PM

If it's all just a game, then they're all monsters, given the thousands of dead Koopas/Goombas/etc that mount every time Mario and co go and have their fun.

wild mass guess [lol]

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#70585: Mar 16th 2015 at 1:49:36 PM

According to Bowsers Inside Story, they're pretty okay with sacrificing themselves.

Plus they just get squished and disappear; who knows if they're even dead?

"We're home, Chewie."
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#70586: Mar 16th 2015 at 1:55:33 PM

The dozens of Dry Bones that litter their castles?

[up][up][up]"Weren't you the one who got hijacked by an inter-dimensional mosquito?"

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#70587: Mar 16th 2015 at 2:12:35 PM

[up]Please explain "inter dimensional mosquito".

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#70588: Mar 16th 2015 at 2:15:49 PM

The Chaos Kin in Kid Icarus: Uprising. It comes out of another dimension and takes over Palutena and Pit gets put into a ring so he doesn't remember what happened.

A bit weird as a plot goes, but it shows that Palutena isn't free from capture either.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#70589: Mar 16th 2015 at 2:34:43 PM

It's not even a first, either, considering the events of the first game.

Thus, with 2/2 (100%) of her canon appearances involving her getting compromised in some form, she doesn't have much of a pedestal to stand on in this particular argument.

edited 16th Mar '15 2:35:11 PM by Demonfly

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Oh hai TV Tropes
#70590: Mar 16th 2015 at 3:07:23 PM

[up] Apparently she's captured in that Game Boy game no one remembers as well. Or is that game non-canon?

Out of all the clones and semi-clones, Toon Link seems to slip under the radar. Characters like Ganondorf, Roy, Dr. Mario, and even his predecessor Young Link receive a lot of flak, but Toon Link isn't talked about that much. Why?

Also, what would female!Villager say about Peach?

edited 16th Mar '15 3:12:48 PM by BurntMario

Call me Willy Whistle 'cause I can't speak, baby. Something in TV Tropes really drove me crazy.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#70591: Mar 16th 2015 at 3:12:57 PM

Probably because while his moveset is very similar, his physical properties are way different.

I still wish they'd give him the Deku Leaf for side-B and Ballad of Gales for Final Smash, though.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#70592: Mar 16th 2015 at 3:19:01 PM

[up][up] Of Myths and Monsters never came out in Japan until it got an eShop release on 3DS, hence why Smash Bros doesn't draw any music from it.

Now I'm curious to know how other Nintendo females (Lyn, Paula, Krystal, Dixie Kong, Viridi, and Phosphora) would react if they ever met Peach.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#70593: Mar 16th 2015 at 4:06:04 PM

According to Bowsers Inside Story, they're pretty okay with sacrificing themselves.

Plus they just get squished and disappear; who knows if they're even dead?

The same game also has a bit of dialogue that implies that people the Mario Bros beat in the series are KO'd, not killed.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#70594: Mar 16th 2015 at 4:33:37 PM

[up][up]...That hasn't stopped anything from seeing representation in Smash. Aaand there I go misreading stuff again.

Aside from that, M&M is indeed considered non-canon as it's never brought up in Uprising (contrast with the many allusions to the first game that it constantly tries to build off of) and in fact is outright contradicted by at least one scene in it. Meanwhile in Smash, it evidently is just part of the very long list of first-party games that Sakurai is consciously choosing to ignore.

edited 16th Mar '15 4:54:32 PM by Demonfly

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#70595: Mar 16th 2015 at 4:43:51 PM

[up]Myth and Monsters never came out in Japan until recently. The other games only came out in Japan. Slight difference in importance.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#70596: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:01:29 PM

[up] and [up][up] Smash tends to cater to the Japanese fanbase over the American one. That explains the content from both Sticker Star (3DS version when Mario and Luigi: Dream Team could've gotten a stage in that version) and Other M (Wii U version when Prime 3 should've gotten some music representation). Also explains why Smash has content from the japanese-only FE games, MOTHER 3, and Panel de Pon.

However, I don't get why some Amiibos are so rare in America while Japan and Europe have those "rare" and "Unicorn" Amiibos in plentiful stock. Is gaming really that niche in the US compared to Japan that we can't get an equal amount of Amiibos that Japan receives?

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#70597: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:03:50 PM

Nintendo is having shipment problems with getting their stuff to America. It's been happening with everything from Gamecube adapters to the New 3DS. I looked into it, and it seems like the port strikes slowing everything should finish within a couple weeks. Hopefully.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#70598: Mar 16th 2015 at 5:24:35 PM

[up]shit...I hope this shit fixes soon or else a certain Nintendo fan here is going to be very pissed off and unlikely to listen to reason.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Rollin' rollin' rollin'
#70599: Mar 16th 2015 at 6:01:53 PM

Also, what would female!Villager say about Peach?

/*Villager captures Peach in net*

"I caught a Peach!

Well that's just peachy-keen!"

"We're home, Chewie."
Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#70600: Mar 16th 2015 at 6:37:35 PM

If I recall, the GB Kid Icarus game has Silver Armor instead of the Mirror Shield, but Uprising has both, and just never brings any attention to Pit's Three Sacred Treasures form suddenly having armor.

I think it's the best they could do to nod to it without having to stop and explain an irrelevant game the target audience never heard of.

Aside from that, I think Of Myths and Monsters is just kinda generally ignorable. I haven't heard of it contradicted anywhere.

Don't PM me. We don't like being PMed.

Total posts: 148,710
Top