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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#69901: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:47:50 PM

I remember when I trolled my friend by playing as Villager against his R.O.B and snatching his gyro and pretty much disabling it because he didn't know that if Villager pockets a gyro, R.O.B can't use it until Villager loses it somehow.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#69902: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:54:49 PM

[up][up]Isn't that effectively how AS works in this version anyway? It simply increases with each character you have access to.

And if they cared about challenges that badly, they could always slightly alter the conditions via patch. It was already mentioned a few days ago that the feature itself is in some dire need of ironing out anyway.

edited 24th Feb '15 10:55:29 PM by Demonfly

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#69903: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:59:25 PM

Most of All-Star's challenges require they be done on the "true" All-Star mode, to prevent you from cheesing them when you haven't unlocked everyone yet.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#69904: Feb 24th 2015 at 11:17:20 PM

The fact that All-Star is available from the get-go and inserts any character you've unlocked into the lineup suggests to me that they were planning contingencies for including DLC characters in it from the start.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#69905: Feb 24th 2015 at 11:20:05 PM

I suppose it's certainly possible mechanically, it's just that it might render the timed challenges a LOT harder (And the other challenges slightly harder). They probably don't want to do that.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#69906: Feb 24th 2015 at 11:21:51 PM

Adding one fighter doesn't seem to be TOO hard...maybe on All-Star they'll up the damage ratio on the characters in whatever match Mewtwo is in.

Most of the other modes don't need much change. He could just be a regular fighter in Classic, Smash Tour, Smash Run...if he's included at all.

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#69907: Feb 25th 2015 at 2:24:56 AM

Isn't that effectively how AS works in this version anyway? It simply increases with each character you have access to.

Nope. Not on Wii U anyways. The secret characters only become part of All-Stars when every character is unlocked. I found this out the hard way when I did the requirements for unlocking Dark Pit: Game & Watch and some other fighters I had unlocked before, but G&W specifically because I actually remember unlocking him before Dark Pit, was not among the All-Star fighters before I got True All-Star Mode later on (once I got Lucina). Basically, there's a "locked" All-Star Mode with only the default characters (which includes Jigglypuff, Ness, Ganondorf, and Bowser Jr. if it's the Wii U version) and the "true" All-Star Mode which is basically all the starters and unlockables. There's no in-between ("Locked" All-Star Mode has two Maxim Tomatos, while True All-Star Mode swaps one of them out for a heart).

On that note, I'd say Mewtwo probably won't be added into All-Star or Events (besides as a player character choice in certain events) but other modes might be possible. Classic will only be possible if Mewtwo gets trophies that tell of his role in this Smash though (which is honestly what I'm expecting to happen).

edited 25th Feb '15 2:43:21 AM by Folt

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#69908: Feb 25th 2015 at 8:51:22 AM

Yeah, I'm expecting Mewtwo to get the standard player character trinity of trophies even though it already has a regular trophy.

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#69909: Feb 25th 2015 at 10:06:37 AM

One thing I wouldn't hold my breath for however with Mewtwo would be that his trophies would be part of a trophy collection group.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#69910: Feb 25th 2015 at 10:07:42 AM

Yeah, I can't imagine they're going to wedge in a new slot on a box, especially since the regular Mewtwo trophy is already part of one.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#69911: Feb 25th 2015 at 10:10:06 AM

[up][up][up]Quartet, you mean. The alt trophies that appear in the shop after a Classic clear on the Wii U version are different from the All-Star prize alt trophies in the 3DS game- They're basically the red SMASH and blue SMASH trophies from Melee.

edited 25th Feb '15 10:11:06 AM by Pulse

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#69912: Feb 25th 2015 at 10:37:19 AM

Rightright, was focusing on the Wii U game.

The 3DS's alt trophies are different from the Wii U's alt trophies? Like, Wario's alt trophy on 3DS isn't the cotton candy Wario?

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#69913: Feb 25th 2015 at 10:53:59 AM

[up] Mostly things like different poses and whatnot.

The descriptions for both are the same (so a player who wants to see what all the Alt Trophies say has an advantage if they have the 3DS version).

The alt trophies also typically tend to be one of the alts of the character in question: Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, and Robin get the alt genders as alt trophies, and other people that have true alts (a true alt typically has as many palette swaps as the main gender/costume) get a version of that (with some exceptions, Bowser Jr. for example doesn't have the Koopalings as his alt trophy).

There also seems to be an unwritten rule that alt trophies never depict the alts' official renders.

edited 25th Feb '15 10:55:45 AM by Folt

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#69914: Feb 25th 2015 at 1:10:20 PM

[up]Do you have to clear Classic/All Star as the Koopalings to get their trophies?

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#69915: Feb 25th 2015 at 1:14:10 PM

Nope. Once you complete classic as Bowser Jr. you can find his alt trophy and Koopaling trophies in the shop.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#69916: Feb 25th 2015 at 1:15:13 PM

The Koopalings are added to the random pool at some point- I think it's either after unlocking Bowser Jr. (so by default in for Wii U) or after clearing Classic with Jr. for the first time.

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#69917: Feb 25th 2015 at 2:22:08 PM

[up] It's the latter. The same thing holds true for Alph, Olimar's alt.

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KoujiTamino Since: Jul, 2010
#69918: Feb 25th 2015 at 3:56:03 PM

And beating Classic Mode with everyone unlocks those ungodly expensive trophies. sad At least they tend to be really nice...

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#69919: Feb 25th 2015 at 4:00:31 PM

Clearing Classic with everyone unlocks a new batch of random trophies?

I haven't seen any yet...

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#69920: Feb 25th 2015 at 4:35:54 PM

Do you guys think that Smash Bros has better multiplayer than, say, Call of Duty or Madden?

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#69921: Feb 25th 2015 at 4:38:53 PM

They're not comparable at all, apples to oranges and all that.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#69922: Feb 25th 2015 at 5:08:09 PM

[up]I'm more going for the experience of playing with others.

At least for me, I don't get destroyed when I play SSB with human players, lol.

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#69923: Feb 25th 2015 at 5:08:27 PM

Now if the comparison was between Smash and, say, another fighting game... it still wouldn't be comparable. There is no game like smash.

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#69924: Feb 25th 2015 at 5:09:45 PM

PSASBR.

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#69925: Feb 25th 2015 at 5:10:37 PM

Except for clones like Play Station All Stars and Punchtime Explosion.


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