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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#69376: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:32:18 PM

Arceus isn't even using Judgement in this game so I just assume the Pokégod is going easy on the characters tongue

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#69377: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:46:23 PM

Arceus is hard for me to avoid getting hit by on smaller stages. He's not the only Pokemon that I don't like being used against me:

  • Palkia (flips the stage)
  • Any Pokemon that pushes you away with wind or water
  • The unicorn one that I though was Rapidash, but whose name escapes me.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#69378: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:51:23 PM

Keldeo.

I've learned how to deal with Palkia after playing plenty of games with an Interface Screw. The pushing-Pokemon are easy to deal with if you stay above or behind them, and Keldeo is pretty easy to dodge once you get the rhythm down. He'll fly to you and swing up his horn, so just dodge it when he swings and run away before doing it again.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#69379: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:52:39 PM

Or play as Shulk and Monado Jump or Monado Shield all of that shit.

edited 11th Feb '15 2:52:48 PM by Elbruno

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#69380: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:57:24 PM

Or Monado SMASH it all.

Because anything can be dealt with if you punch it hard enough. tongue

Not really, don't do that.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#69381: Feb 11th 2015 at 3:02:29 PM

It could work at low damage to get away from multi-hit attacks more easily. Don't quote me on that though, I just Jump that shit.

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Beaver Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#69382: Feb 11th 2015 at 3:02:31 PM

I have a question.

Shouldn't Shulk do no damage in Smash because he has The Monado I?

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#69383: Feb 11th 2015 at 3:06:40 PM

No. None of the other Characters are Homs.

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#69384: Feb 11th 2015 at 3:09:51 PM

Back on the Hardcore vs Casual thing:

Smash Tour isn't even a good casual gamemode, because it's all RNG bullshit and no fun. With 8 Player Smash wouldn't that be enough for the casual base to enjoy?

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#69385: Feb 11th 2015 at 3:12:25 PM

I think that 8-player Smash would be pretty competitive too. It's two even teams of four or four even teams of two competing to make their team win.

And there are always the Omega stages for the people who don't like uneven placement.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#69386: Feb 11th 2015 at 3:17:01 PM

I believe 4 vs 4 is already a thing competitively.

BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#69387: Feb 11th 2015 at 3:18:13 PM

But Smash!Shulk can still take damage from Shulk. So either it's because everyone is just non-lethally beating on each other until someone goes flying out of bounds, or these aren't the canon characters and are just living trophies/copies inspired by their source material that lets Smash!Shulk fight like he does.

I dunno, the same reason the other swordsmen don't hack everyone to pieces? tongue

ConstipatedWaffle For The Most Ridley-culous Cause from The Edge Of Insanity Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
For The Most Ridley-culous Cause
#69388: Feb 11th 2015 at 3:21:49 PM

I feel like the only person who likes Smash Tour. I certainly understand why people don't like it, but for me, it's mainly because of, not in spite of, the randomness of the mode I enjoy it. There's a pretty large power gap between all of my friends, so not always having the exact same outcome to every battle is refreshing.

As an aside, I hate how 10 is the lowest you can set your stamina in Special Smash. My favorite thing to do in Brawl when playing with other people was reducing everyone's HP to 1 and doing a ton of free-for-alls, and it's disappointing I can't do it here.

"And kung fu is a terrible way to run a company" - alliterator
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#69389: Feb 11th 2015 at 3:29:24 PM

@Train Because trophies. Everything is because trophies.

Anything that seems inaccurate or not in line with canon appearances is easily explained by "Because trophies."

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#69390: Feb 11th 2015 at 3:34:10 PM

64?

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#69391: Feb 11th 2015 at 3:40:04 PM

Because dolls.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#69392: Feb 11th 2015 at 4:19:51 PM

But Smash!Shulk can still take damage from Shulk. So either it's because everyone is just non-lethally beating on each other until someone goes flying out of bounds, or these aren't the canon characters and are just living trophies/copies inspired by their source material that lets Smash!Shulk fight like he does.

You might as well ask how the hell are there 2 or more of the exact same Monados around. Rules are out of the window when that happens.

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#69393: Feb 11th 2015 at 4:33:47 PM

My capture card is here!

A shame it can only record up to 30 fps. But hey the image is still pretty good.

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#69394: Feb 11th 2015 at 4:37:00 PM

Great! Now it's time for the obligatory hilarious beatdown montage.

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Oh hai TV Tropes
#69395: Feb 11th 2015 at 4:58:02 PM

@69370: I'd say Smash 4 appeals to both the casual and the hardcore crowds...to an extent.

I know it's a mere minority, but there are some Melee players who still find the game too slow and/or are turned off by the lack of wavedashing and L-canceling.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#69396: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:29:55 PM

I thought the best way to start posting Smash videos would be with a Greninja ditto with a fellow Greninja player from Smashboards tongue

ConstipatedWaffle For The Most Ridley-culous Cause from The Edge Of Insanity Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
For The Most Ridley-culous Cause
#69397: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:34:37 PM

I feel proud to be your first subscriber, Moon :v

Dang, even just watching you play is intimidating... I should definitely practice a lot more before I try to challenge you...

[down]'Twas me who made the Smash Tour Appreciation Post, actually :v

edited 11th Feb '15 5:37:17 PM by ConstipatedWaffle

"And kung fu is a terrible way to run a company" - alliterator
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#69398: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:35:12 PM

Wavedashing in itself is just an approach option, and not necessary to win. L-Cancelling is far more useful, but you can still win without it. There's just no reason to avoid using it. One issue is they won't reduce lag for most moves as is, so many characters are left completely unbalanced because of this. L-Cancelling may have not been a well-made mechanic, but it was better than severe lag, and it's a very each tech to use(if not one of the easiest of all time, besides the more basic like Air Dodge, Rolling, and Side Stepping. It's up there with the difficult of Gliding and Ukemis. None of these are even remotely difficult, but require a little effort to do properly). Wavedashing definitely requires work.

@Anom: You're not the only one. I do like Smash Tour. I think Smash Run is better, mind you, but I do find it a fun mode. I won't pretend it has flaws, of course. But other than the challenges associated with it, and it sometimes being frustrating due to random bull, it's really not a bad mode to me. I wouldn't call it a "great mode" either. Just mediocre.

Shadow?
Hungryguy I am a Rad Reptile. from inside a cheese wheel Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
I am a Rad Reptile.
#69399: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:40:22 PM

[up][up][up] Quite a flashy finish there Moon. Definitely the coolest thing I've seen all day.

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#69400: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:51:43 PM

First off: Suscribed to you Full Moon. Gotta see dem skills.

Also, that kind of footage is the one that would usually tell me to stay the hell away from you. I'm still gonna play with you 'cause screw it, it's too much fun to face you. tongue

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."

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