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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#69351: Feb 11th 2015 at 9:01:47 AM

Folks, my capture card has arrived! Now I only have to wait for my dad to get home with it since he had it be delivered to his office.

BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#69352: Feb 11th 2015 at 9:17:17 AM

Whoo! *throws confetti*

Now we can watch your recordings of beating all of us on the Wii-U in HD! grin

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#69353: Feb 11th 2015 at 9:25:47 AM

I demand to see that double K.O. of ours in pristine HD!

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#69354: Feb 11th 2015 at 9:32:41 AM

[up] Didn't you see it when we actually did it? tongue

goldmonkey 1000 chords and the truth from under your bed. Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#69355: Feb 11th 2015 at 10:06:20 AM

Does anyone have a proffered character to use in 8-player smash?

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#69356: Feb 11th 2015 at 10:31:04 AM

Am I the only person who absolutely loathes Stock battles and only sticks with Timed? In Stock battles it's a gigantic camp fest, whereas in Timed how many people you KO actually matters.

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the8thdigidestined Digimon is coming back! from Odaiba *Wii U Handle: Lyokonerd* Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#69357: Feb 11th 2015 at 10:37:15 AM

I know it was the absolute first thing he considered. Which begs the question, what was he smoking? Surely the "For Fun" gamemode would have provided enough unpredictable factors, right? Because not all of us play "For Glory". Surely he could have made the mechanics a lot more fair and flexible. Maybe not having four players all the time could have helped, or preventing CPU players from using guest Miis when there were enough in your plaza would have been a good start, hmm? For me, Smash Tour is a great leap backward. Akin to the great leap of Chinese communism (in which it had huge penalties).

Honestly, I think one of the first steps they could make towards making it better is DUMPING THE FREAKING TIME LIMITS!! This is the biggest reason I have never wanted to play this mode with friends. I have never played a session of Smash Tour where the final match does not end in a time out! So frustrating!

It's also almost impossible to keep track of what's going on the board, because everyone moves at the same time. I understand they don't want the game to drag along, but right now it goes too fast.

Plus, the main Smash mode just overshadows all. Whenever I'm at a friend's house, they want to play that. Why add a board game to the mix when you can just Smash normally?

It's just way too chaotic for me, and the time limits are very fun killing. If they fixed these two things, I think the mode could improve immensely.

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goldmonkey 1000 chords and the truth from under your bed. Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#69358: Feb 11th 2015 at 11:01:23 AM

But... isn't timed kind of the same? I mean, once you get a lead you can just run the clock out.

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#69359: Feb 11th 2015 at 11:17:22 AM

[up]Yes, but at least you had to work your way to get in the lead in the first place. Stock just encourages people to run away from combat as much as possible.

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BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#69360: Feb 11th 2015 at 11:24:42 AM

I find it's harder to tell who's in the lead during timed matches, but other than that I don't see how you'd have to work any harder in a timed match to get a lead.

I kind of prefer Stock because I don't feel like "Augh I only have 2 minutes and I have to kill him NOW" and end up stupidly rushing into everything, but I play both modes

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#69361: Feb 11th 2015 at 11:33:56 AM

[up] You can always turn on KO score in timed matches.

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#69362: Feb 11th 2015 at 11:35:54 AM

I feel like it's not ideal for 1v1 matches.

There's more of an incentive to actually fight in stock because it's the only way to end the match. Like I said, in timed you can just kill them once or twice and run away.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#69363: Feb 11th 2015 at 12:04:37 PM

I've always thought that Smash Tour Would be better with more options. Choosing what battles to play, what items appear on the board, and maybe even which fighters you'd use...the thing of it is that it forces you to use someone you may not be good with, and then you have to strain to win with them. Usually people don't seem to like fighting with someone they don't want to, along with all of the other things that players will throw at them.

Maybe it'd be fun once or twice with a few good players, but everyone else seems that they'd rather just Smash.

Also, I said I started using timed matches for team battles so I could always keep even numbers on the stage, AND so that my teammates don't beat me out for having lost fewer stocks even though my score is way higher. Stock matches are still good for free-for-alls because it always stays pretty fair in the end.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#69364: Feb 11th 2015 at 1:41:48 PM

I don't understand why Sakurai is trying to make Smash Bros appeal to the casual crowd. From what I've experienced, it is mostly the hardcore crowd that plays Smash Bros. It is rare for me to get my mom to play SSB (and that is usually when we have people over), my parents usually prefer to play Mario Kart. And a lot of people at my school like to play either Xbox or I Phone games (aka, shit games...though the Xbox 360 has a few good multiplatform games like GTA).

There are a few things that I will never understand about Smash Bros development...

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#69365: Feb 11th 2015 at 1:51:24 PM

Saying that it's mostly the hardcore crowd who plays Smash is a bit naive. Most people buy this game for the crossover aspect instead of the fact that it's a fighting game.

Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#69366: Feb 11th 2015 at 1:53:38 PM

Yeah, you don't move nigh-Mario Kart numbers without there being some appeal to an audience bigger than the hardcore. "I can make Mario fight Sonic!" sort of things are some of the greatest appeals of the saga.

Like it or not, the hardcore audience is a Vocal Minority in the greater picture for most games, especially ones that bring "simple joy" appeal like Smash Bros. does.

edited 11th Feb '15 1:56:03 PM by Elbruno

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#69367: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:04:10 PM

[up] and[up][up] I was largely talking about my own experience with casuals and SSB.

Speaking of...

I have a few minor issues when playing SSB with casual gamers, either they:

a: Ask me to turn on items (sometimes I will, but for people that have played all the games with me enough I won't because I expect more of them. I'll also turn off the overpowered items if the game is Brawl or Wii U.)

b: spamming, which is by far more annoying than the other annoyance. Like, actually use the A Button...not just for using Dash Attacks like my friend.

Out of curiosity, which moves have you guys seen spam the most?

I either see:

  • a: Yoshi's Egg lay
  • b: Kirby's Inhale or Stone
  • c: Pikachu's thunder
  • d: Falcon/Warlock Punch
  • e: Dash attacks for Luigi and Sonic
  • f: Link's Spin Attack
  • g: Dk's Slap.

EDIT: If I sound really negative, I've not been in the best mood today. I've lost a bottle cap on my school bus for the second time this week, and we're near Valentine's Day, which hasn't left me in a happy mood last year and maybe this year.

edited 11th Feb '15 2:05:47 PM by powerpuffbats

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#69368: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:06:54 PM

I know a girl who would always use Kirby's Stone. Was easy to get her though because I could just grab her.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#69369: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:07:13 PM

Smash Bros. was always meant to appeal to a casual crowd, as an easy to get into fighting game with simple controls and being packed together as one big Nintendo franchise cross over.

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edited 11th Feb '15 2:09:04 PM by randomness4

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#69370: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:12:51 PM

Smash started casual, then it got big, then people made it competitive, then the creators took the popularity and tried to make it casual again, then people got mad, then the creators tried to even it out to appeal to the most people.

I think it went well though.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#69371: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:18:55 PM

Okay, maybe I am being a bit too negative on this one...

I just like Smash Bros for the Crossover Fighting game appeal it has to me. I love Nintendo games. Ever since I was a wee one. I'd probably still like it if it was a traditional fighting game.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#69372: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:22:21 PM

I'm glad it's not a traditional fighter. It would miss out on so much variety if it was always restricted to one plane with no items.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#69373: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:24:42 PM

[up] While I like that not all stages are flat planes, I'll argue items. At least some of the OP ones like the Master Ball.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#69374: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:26:25 PM

Oh the Master Balls seldom cause me trouble.

Though it's sad that Arceus is one of the easiest legendaries to survive despite being Pokemon God.

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#69375: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:29:54 PM

It would've most likely not clicked with me if it was a traditional fighting game. Not only it would lose variety, but also I've always found the controls of classic fighting games to be completely unintuitive. Press forward-down-diagonal and punch very quickly to uppercut upwards because reasons.

Also, Master Balls are awesome.

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