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BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#68901: Jan 31st 2015 at 1:08:44 PM

Apart from Lucas and Wolf, I can see Squirtle and Ivysaur appearing as DLC characters as well...as at least two of the last characters we'll get since we're already getting a new Pokemon character.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#68902: Jan 31st 2015 at 3:03:01 PM

I doubt it- I think Sakurai has picked up on the whole Gen Wunner thing, and Brawl had it worst. Pikachu and Charizard are basically the mascots of the cute and cool sides of Pokemon at this point, Mewtwo's gained more relevancy thanks to it being the introduction to Mega Evolution, and Jigglypuff is the definitive Lethal Joke Character of Smash at this point. I can't see any other Gen I Pokemon joining via DLC.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#68903: Jan 31st 2015 at 3:12:29 PM

Though I do wonder if, come Smash 5, Greninja is going to be cut in favor of a Pokémon of whatever generation we'll be in when it releases. After all by that point Greninja probably won't be relevant anymore.

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#68904: Jan 31st 2015 at 3:36:31 PM

inb4 conveniently timed Mega Greninja

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#68905: Jan 31st 2015 at 4:03:53 PM

Possible Greninja infinite combo?

And man, the frog is not doing well at Apex, the people from the Greninja boards that went there are being cut down one by one.

BloatedCreeper The One and Many from Area N Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
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#68906: Jan 31st 2015 at 8:35:58 PM

[up] I think a lot of pro smashers just really don't like Greninja's playstyle. It seems like lots of people either love or hate to play as him.

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#68907: Jan 31st 2015 at 8:55:19 PM

See, this is why we need to fund a ticket for the next big Sm4sh tournament for Moon.

Or at the very least some recording equipment so he can teach people how to play Greninja through Youtube.

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#68909: Jan 31st 2015 at 9:11:07 PM

  • Pitches in 9001 dollars.

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#68910: Jan 31st 2015 at 9:22:55 PM

Though I do wonder if, come Smash 5, Greninja is going to be cut in favor of a Pokémon of whatever generation we'll be in when it releases. After all by that point Greninja probably won't be relevant anymore.

I would say since it has a unique playstyle, it should be safe. It's inevitable Mega Evolution will give it a potential new Final Smash.

Trip Since: Mar, 2012
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#68912: Jan 31st 2015 at 9:51:49 PM

For Moon's tournament, I pitch 599 US Dollars...599 US Dollars...599 US Dollars...

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BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#68913: Jan 31st 2015 at 11:37:35 PM

Unpopular opinion time:

Call Lucina and Dark Pit lazy all you want, but am I the only one who isn't bothered by Dr. Mario's presence? I think his decrease in speed has helped him earn a different play style from Mario: while Mario is the combo-reliable Jack of All Stats, Dr. Mario is the powerful Mighty Glacier who packs a punch until he's knocked off stage (he and Little Mac are really the only characters in the game who can't recover to literally save their lives). It helps that he keeps his own down special, meaning that if you want Mario's old moveset from Melee sans F.L.U.D.D., you have that option. Moreover, given that he's Mario with different clothes, he does have a reason to be a clone, unlike his aforementioned fellow clones and Ganondorf, all of whom could have been unique characters.

I'd actually like to see Dr. Mario in Smash 5.

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#68914: Jan 31st 2015 at 11:37:50 PM

  • Pitches in by saying imaginary money won't help

[up]You clearly aren't.

Anyway, I'm not quite bothered by what little is to him as much as the fact that he's somehow managed to be the ringleader of the pathetically small group of spinoff titles Sakurai would ever care to acknowledge. The last title he has had to his name was a Wii Ware remake of all things.

edited 31st Jan '15 11:46:53 PM by Demonfly

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#68915: Jan 31st 2015 at 11:44:47 PM

Dr. Mario is my favorite clone. He's so strong and direct.

What if every non-clone character had a clone? Donkey Kong could have Funky Kong, Peach could have Daisy, Zelda could have Hilda, Samus could have Dark Samus (instead of her as an Assist Trophy), Link would have Dark Link...

Actually, just give everybody a dark clone. Make it a gimmick of Smash 5. tongue

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#68916: Jan 31st 2015 at 11:49:31 PM

[up][up][up]I brought it up before, almost all of Dr.Mario's changes were suppose to already be there in Melee, they just didn't have the time to do it.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#68917: Jan 31st 2015 at 11:49:40 PM

[up][up][up][up]While I like Dark Pit more than normal Pit, and Lucina adds one more female character to the roster, Dr. Mario adds very little on the new side. Even Dark Pit has a few things new to offer! (His side B is similar, but also different. His Final Smash is different than Pit's as well) I'd rather that Sakurai had added Dixie Kong, or Mewtwo, or even Viridi (since Kid Icarus has a lot of representation in the game) over Dr. Mario. At least they could've made Dr. Mario an alt costume for Mario. That said, I do like using Dr. Mario because he keeps Mario's old down-B from 64 and Melee, he just wasn't a character I really wanted back.

Some of the casting choices in the game baffle me. Duck Hunt, Dr. Mario, Villager, and Wii Fit Trainer I'll never understand why they are in the game over Krystal, Dixie Kong, K. Rool, Wolf, Lucas, and Viridi (can you tell by my avatar that Viridi's becoming one of my favorite Nintendo characters?)

edited 31st Jan '15 11:51:32 PM by powerpuffbats

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#68918: Jan 31st 2015 at 11:51:59 PM

They're in because they aren't popular request.

Also Dr.Mario isn't a costume for the same reason Lucina and Dark Pit, he also has no reason to be.

edited 31st Jan '15 11:53:46 PM by randomness4

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#68919: Jan 31st 2015 at 11:55:46 PM

[up]I recall hearing about Villager having quite a bit of prior support, actually.

he also has no reason to be

...Outside of how his design is literally a costume?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#68920: Jan 31st 2015 at 11:57:22 PM

A costume that some how causes him to be treated like an entirely different character because reasons.

edited 31st Jan '15 11:58:40 PM by randomness4

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#68921: Jan 31st 2015 at 11:59:36 PM

@randomness4: I know that. I guess having Dr. Mario in Smash 4 wouldn't be as outrageous as having him in Melee, even if he was slower in the latter game, if only because of the novelty of having an "old Mario" and a "new Mario" at the same time.

@powerpuffbats: Here's another unpopular opinion: Duck Hunt is my favorite newcomer in 4. Sure, one can wonder why they made it in the game over K. Rool, Dixie Kong, etc., but they seem to me like characters that should have been in Smash from the very beginning. The main reason why Duck Hunt works so well as an Unexpected Character is because they make so much sense, yet very few people ever considered them. The dog is one of the most iconic Nintendo characters in the NES era, but somehow I haven't seen anyone propose that he should be in Smash so players can beat the crap out of him. And players have wanted to do just that for years, and with Smash 4 they can fulfill that slightly latent dream.

But to each his or her own.

edited 1st Feb '15 12:00:20 AM by BurntMario

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#68922: Feb 1st 2015 at 12:03:50 AM

[up]Hey, don't get me wrong, I like using Duck Hunt, I just don't get why they would choose...them over a more popular character, like Dixie Kong, Viridi, etc.

...Now that I'm thinking about it, one of us should make a Self Demonstrating Page for Viridi, but I don't know how to make those things.

edited 1st Feb '15 12:04:29 AM by powerpuffbats

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#68923: Feb 1st 2015 at 12:05:09 AM

[up][up]He already had a model set up for him through various Brawl mods, for the record.

Though I admittedly don't recall anybody actually going through with it.

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#68924: Feb 1st 2015 at 12:51:34 AM

I don't mind having the good doctor back since he probably took all of three seconds to implement, but I wish his recovery wasn't so bad.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#68925: Feb 1st 2015 at 3:15:31 AM

I used to love Sonic and Zero Suit Samus but now they don't feel as good to play with.

What's different? Are their attack hit boxes smaller? I feel like I'm missing so many attacks with them now...

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