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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#67577: Jan 9th 2015 at 9:53:30 PM

Palutena, Greninja and Lucario can attack first. They all have projectiles.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#67578: Jan 9th 2015 at 10:06:19 PM

Very true.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#67579: Jan 9th 2015 at 10:08:57 PM

And Palutena's the only one with a reflector.

smash settled

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
BlitzTrain Since: Apr, 2014
#67580: Jan 9th 2015 at 10:12:42 PM

I've countered Autoreticle with Substitute before tongue

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#67581: Jan 9th 2015 at 10:19:54 PM

Greninja has the benefit of having the only counter that can actually hit after being triggered by a projectile without needing the opponent to be right in your face. Well, still needs to be pretty close for it to work but still.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#67582: Jan 9th 2015 at 10:27:39 PM

Mac's Dash Counter custom is nearly as good, though.

I sure said that!
powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#67583: Jan 9th 2015 at 11:06:28 PM

Fox's SSB 4 voice:

It's not grating on my ears (I am used to hearing Mike West as Fox thanks to 64 and 3D), but it does sound out of place for a Fox that's supposed to be in his late-20s (since the characters in Star Fox do age).

Though Jim Walker (Brawl and Assault Fox VA) is my favorite. He was also the first voice I heard for Fox (Assault was my first Star Fox game)

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#67584: Jan 10th 2015 at 9:30:08 AM

I have to agree that Fox's voice in SSB4 is really strange. It doesn't keep me from playing the character, but it doesn't fit him at all, especially when compared to his Brawl one.

I hope he has a different voice actor in Star Fox Wii U.

edited 10th Jan '15 9:30:42 AM by WackyPancake

"I like girls, but now, it's about justice."
Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#67585: Jan 10th 2015 at 9:52:10 AM

To quote the video I posted last page, "lol your voice actor got nerfed".

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
BurntMario Oh hai TV Tropes from Your nightmares Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Oh hai TV Tropes
#67586: Jan 10th 2015 at 10:39:27 AM

[up][up] Yeah, I think his voice here still somewhat fits given the silly mood of the Smash series. In Star Fox Wii U, though, he should have a more serious sounding voice.

On another note, I'm not sure why Falco's new voice gets at least half as much hate. I do prefer the Brooklyn accent he had in Brawl, but he doesn't really sound terrible here.

edited 10th Jan '15 10:43:30 AM by BurntMario

Call me Willy Whistle 'cause I can't speak, baby. Something in TV Tropes really drove me crazy.
Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#67587: Jan 10th 2015 at 11:53:27 AM

@moon: why would anyone use Greninja's counter though

anyway speaking of the ninja

I need to git gud with him and Shulk.

And maybe Pit

Or perhaps DAAAAAAAAARK PIIIIIIIIIIT

i was rly upset with him at first but over time he grew on me

those spanish guitars helped

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#67588: Jan 10th 2015 at 12:05:38 PM

[up] Because it can kill most of the cast under 100% without even needing the boost from the rage mechanic.

edited 10th Jan '15 12:05:53 PM by FullMoon

Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#67589: Jan 10th 2015 at 12:08:44 PM

It's so slow, though. Every time I ever, ever used it, it got shielded and I was the one who got punished by what is the "punishing" move. Heck, I actually got countered by a Shulk using that counter!

Counterception.

Counterstrike.

hee

But eh, Hydro and Shurikan make up for that move. And Shadow Sneak, once you get the hang of it.

Beaver Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67590: Jan 10th 2015 at 12:15:31 PM

Why do so many characters have counters?

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
strawberryflavored Since: Sep, 2010
#67591: Jan 10th 2015 at 12:15:38 PM

I haven't had that experience when I play Greninja. It's more likely to happen when playing Shulk.

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#67592: Jan 10th 2015 at 12:18:38 PM

Huh. So Mike West is OG Fox? Guess the guy hasn't aged well. 64 was close to 20 years ago, now.

[down]Yooo. That works in the 3DS version, right? That makes 3 out of his 4 moves a lot more flexible than usual.

edited 10th Jan '15 12:20:44 PM by Hashil

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#67593: Jan 10th 2015 at 12:18:47 PM

[up][up][up]Aim it upwards for maximum effect

And it's almost impossible to get punished for using Substitute unless you aimed it downwards.

Also I think this is the third time I've posted the Sheik gif in this thread tongue

edited 10th Jan '15 12:19:08 PM by FullMoon

Beaver Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67594: Jan 10th 2015 at 12:22:10 PM

I had the best moment with Lucina.

My opponent was juggling me but I countered mid air and won the game.

edited 10th Jan '15 12:22:22 PM by Beaver

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#67595: Jan 10th 2015 at 12:31:03 PM

Eh, I just don't like how long it takes for the attack to come out.

Good for edgeguarding, but if I wanted to do that I'd just jump and Hydro them away.

Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#67596: Jan 10th 2015 at 12:32:59 PM

@Hashil: Yes, you can aim Greninja's counter special in both versions. And I don't think there are any differences between moves between the two versions.

Beaver Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#67597: Jan 10th 2015 at 12:35:46 PM

What characters are considered low tier at this point?

I know there's Mii Swordfighter and Donkey Kong.

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#67598: Jan 10th 2015 at 12:37:24 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] Yes it does.

Substitute doesn't even take that long to come out, most of the characters can only shield after hitting it with a jab and little else, with the only exception I can think of being Sheik and Sonic since their moves have very little cooldown and even then I still managed to get one on Sheik.

Against heavyweights like King Dedede Substitute is a god-send because their moves tend to be very laggy and so you're almost guaranteed to hit with Substitute if it's triggered, and you can get very early kills because the latest Dedede can go to before being KO'd by it is 109% as long as Greninja hasn't taken much damage and that's the latest anyone can go without being killed by it.

edited 10th Jan '15 12:37:42 PM by FullMoon

Trip Since: Mar, 2012
#67599: Jan 10th 2015 at 12:39:49 PM

h u h

i have been educated

Hrm

Still trying to figure out my secondary. Ganondorf looks really good this game.

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#67600: Jan 10th 2015 at 12:43:14 PM

For future reference this is the list that details the KO percentages for Substitute on all characters.

The letters after the name of the characters is to show whether they can shield (S) Substitute with their basic attack or not, or hit Greninja out of Substitute with it (H), though some need to delay the second hit in order to do so (DH), and the (O) is just to inform whether they'd get sent to the opposite direction Greninja's facing when he uses Substitute downwards. It's not really important but I just figured I'd explain it tongue

edited 10th Jan '15 12:44:33 PM by FullMoon


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