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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#67151: Jan 3rd 2015 at 12:18:43 PM

Moon, I don't count Yoshi as Smash treats him as from a separate franchise than Mario.

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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#67152: Jan 3rd 2015 at 12:20:35 PM

He's a Mario character, though.

And since Donkey Kong Country and the Mario series overlap so much, I'm prety sure you could count Diddy as an ally of Mario too.

tongue

edited 3rd Jan '15 12:21:23 PM by WackyPancake

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#67153: Jan 3rd 2015 at 12:23:41 PM

Smash Bros. treats Wario Ware, Yoshi's Island, and DKC as separate game universes from Mario

Even still, the fact Sonic is higher tier than pretty much all of Nintendo's big three franchises' main characters is amusing to me, MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#67154: Jan 3rd 2015 at 12:24:04 PM

Yoshi is kinda in the gray area because he's grouped with the Mario characters in the select screen, being between Bowser and Rosalina.

Also, Palutena is widely said to be Top 10 in this game if customs are allowed.

edited 3rd Jan '15 12:24:14 PM by FullMoon

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#67155: Jan 3rd 2015 at 12:30:29 PM

Anyone know of any good Robin demonstrations? I wanna see how he's played competitively.

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#67160: Jan 3rd 2015 at 12:48:58 PM

As someone who consistently plays as Samus, it hurt to see her that low. Is she at least measurably better than she was in Brawl?

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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#67161: Jan 3rd 2015 at 12:52:44 PM

If we're going by tier lists, sadly no. In the Brawl tier list she's 32 out of 38, pretty close to her position on the Smash Ladder tier list.

Keep in mind that usage factored a lot in that tier list, though. Perhaps people are just not using her enough.

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#67162: Jan 3rd 2015 at 12:58:19 PM

I'm not going to by tier lists, necessarily. Keep in mind that 4 is more balanced than Brawl - a good enough Palutena could go toe to toe with the higher tier characters, while in Brawl, low tier characters were boned against Meta Knight/Falco/Snake/Diddy by default.

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#67164: Jan 3rd 2015 at 1:00:10 PM

She's mainly low because few people play her in the ladder. Don't worry though, I'm playing with her there to promote her...

... And failing horribly at it tongue

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#67165: Jan 3rd 2015 at 1:00:31 PM

I don't really like tier lists anyway, a terrible Diddy could lose against a great Dr.Mario

And also my main is tied with Rosalina grin

edited 3rd Jan '15 1:04:13 PM by Beaver

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#67166: Jan 3rd 2015 at 1:07:20 PM

The thing about the tier lists is that they apply primarily to the high levels of competitive play. To the average Joe, they're largely meaningless with some exceptions.

Alternatively, Tiers R 4 Queers.

edited 3rd Jan '15 1:07:30 PM by Zelenal

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#67167: Jan 3rd 2015 at 1:07:52 PM

That's pretty much true for any tier list, to be honest. Unless the game is horribly unbalanced, characters on any place in the list can go toe-to-toe, especially when you're not dealing with the higher levels of play I don't get involved in.

Curiously, my hydrology classes in university have made me less repulsed by tier lists. Tier lists are pretty much "informed guesswork" when it comes down to it, which hydrology uses and abuses a lot. tongue

edited 3rd Jan '15 1:08:39 PM by Elbruno

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#67168: Jan 3rd 2015 at 1:42:39 PM

I was looking at the characters running speed, surprisingly enough Charizard is just below Sheik when it comes to it. Greninja is a faster runner than Sheik as well.

Robin and Jigglypuff are the slowest tongue

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#67169: Jan 3rd 2015 at 1:53:46 PM

Basically, all I want to know is whether or not Samus is generally more usable this time around. I really want to have fun playing as her in Brawl, but she's just so bad that I just can't do it. Brawl is general becomes less comfortable for me to play the more time goes on. I'm not all that concerned with her tier list placement - if she's satisfying to play as and at least more usable than she was in Brawl, that's good enough for me.

edited 3rd Jan '15 1:54:22 PM by RavenKingSage

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#67170: Jan 3rd 2015 at 1:56:37 PM

Samus is still quite flawed, more so than other characters, but she's still fun to play, at least for me. I have moderate success using her online, though when going against a fast character I tend to be juggled around a lot.

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#67172: Jan 3rd 2015 at 2:00:14 PM

Hehehe, that's pretty sweet!

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#67173: Jan 3rd 2015 at 2:05:45 PM

Huh. So Captain Falcon actually beats out Mac for second best runner. Could'a sworn the Captain was slower.

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#67174: Jan 3rd 2015 at 2:13:41 PM

It did seem like it.

Though just testing it out...he's noticeably slower.

edited 3rd Jan '15 2:16:30 PM by randomness4

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#67175: Jan 3rd 2015 at 2:32:36 PM

So, the best runners in the game currently are:

Sonic, Captain Falcon, Little Mac, Fox, and Zero Suit Samus?

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