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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#67126: Jan 3rd 2015 at 9:48:30 AM

For further reference on how things are changing, compare that tier list to the one made back in November.

You'll see a lot of characters who began to improve as people got more time to play with them, as well as some who had unfortunate drops. Though that list is prior to the nerf fest.

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#67127: Jan 3rd 2015 at 9:49:40 AM

That's different though. That's the r/smashbros tier list, which was done by voting.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#67128: Jan 3rd 2015 at 9:54:00 AM

Point, but I remember that list being considered accurate back then in regards to the general opinion back then. Luigi, Pikachu and Mii Brawler were both very overlooked back then, but then began being seen with better eyes.

Not the best comparison, but it does illustrate my point.

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#67129: Jan 3rd 2015 at 9:54:31 AM

True, but still helpful to have an idea what the public opinion was at the time.

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#67130: Jan 3rd 2015 at 9:55:50 AM

I don't even consider the recent tier list to be very accurate either...Minus stuff like Yoshi, Sonic, Ness, Shulk, Greninja and Robin being as high as they are.

I seriously just don't why people say Diddy is top tier. He's got really predictable tactics.

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#67131: Jan 3rd 2015 at 10:01:07 AM

Diddy is pretty much Boring, but Practical to an extreme. His tactics are very predictable, but they're so effective it doesn't really matter, his bananas are either going to make you trip and allow him to either grab you or Smash you for the kill, or you're going to shield it and he's going to grab you anyway because he was likely running towards you while tossing the banana. All of his moves are very safe to use as well.

The only weakness Diddy has is that his recovery is below average due to how easily you can knock him out of it, but that's not enough to stop him, or Ness for that matter.

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#67132: Jan 3rd 2015 at 10:02:33 AM

Is this going to be the first game since his debut that Marth isn't top tier?

I'm also really sad to see Palutena so low but I guess her real strength is only evident when allowed to use custom Specials. I really hope the tourneys allow those that way we can get a full gauge on exactly how strong the fighters are.

I'm also sad to see that Rosalina is the highest among my planned mains since she really isn't the archetype I fight best with. I've been considering using Shulk as well so that's good.

Of course, I could just laugh in the face of tier lists, pick Lucy, and kick everyone's ass anyway. That would probably be more satisfying.

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#67133: Jan 3rd 2015 at 10:09:08 AM

I mean, tiers aren't looking to be tremendously past formality at this point. There's no huge outliers on the top or bottom this time, so hey! Cool!

I sure said that!
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#67134: Jan 3rd 2015 at 10:12:06 AM

Pretty much, this is the most balanced roster in Smash history and even Mii Swordfighter can go against a Diddy or Sheik, it's just going to be a good deal tougher to win with him than with other characters, but far from being an impossible match-up.

edited 3rd Jan '15 10:12:35 AM by FullMoon

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#67135: Jan 3rd 2015 at 10:15:10 AM

The Koopas placement on that list displeases me.

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#67136: Jan 3rd 2015 at 10:15:39 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Well if you air dodge and grab the banana from the air, then you rob Diddy Kong of his tripping option and he can't exactly grab you from the air since the delay lag of his throw prevents him from going straight to his Side B.

idk, this is just how I've handled Diddy Kongs.

edited 3rd Jan '15 10:15:52 AM by TheMageofFire

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#67137: Jan 3rd 2015 at 10:19:07 AM

I don't have much experience with Diddy really, so I probably shouldn't be talking about him. I kinda try to avoid going against him less because of his top tier status but because his monkey noises are really grating for me.

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#67138: Jan 3rd 2015 at 10:20:25 AM

They'll find some weakness in Diddy's playstyle at some point. Just you wait.

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#67139: Jan 3rd 2015 at 10:46:50 AM

I honestly find his Banana setups as more of an opportunity than anything else, since that briefly robs him of pretty much all of his main kill moves.

Then again, I usually play a character that's been spending half of his match time in the air, so.

edited 3rd Jan '15 10:47:42 AM by Demonfly

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#67140: Jan 3rd 2015 at 11:15:39 AM

I am so upset right now! My brother and I were playing For Glory and after we got a wicked combo (Little Mac Front Smash then K.O. Uppercut) the game asked us if we were sure we wanted to leave. We selected no and and it kicked us out!

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#67142: Jan 3rd 2015 at 11:48:48 AM

I haven't confirmed this yet, but apparently the trophy mishap that caused that whole kerfluffle a few pages back is only in the PAL version of the game. I'm still not happy about it, but it's not as bad as it could have been.

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#67143: Jan 3rd 2015 at 11:50:17 AM

Diddy is only high tier because no one can find a reliable strategy to beat him.

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
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#67144: Jan 3rd 2015 at 11:53:41 AM

Eat this Mario fans that hate Sonic (I've met a few irl, one of them knew little about Sonic so he should have no opinion):

Sonic is higher tier than all Mario characters

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
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#67145: Jan 3rd 2015 at 12:04:23 PM

Not if you count Yoshi.

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#67148: Jan 3rd 2015 at 12:07:06 PM

For being so high tier, I never see Yoshi online, at least on the 3DS version. 'Cept mine, anyway.

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#67149: Jan 3rd 2015 at 12:09:07 PM

I think it's mainly because Yoshi takes some effort to do well with, unlike Sheik and Diddy which you can pretty much just pick-up and learn them immediatelly. It's part of the reason Greninja fell a lot too, he takes a lot more effort to be good with than those two.

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#67150: Jan 3rd 2015 at 12:17:22 PM

I'm also really sad to see Palutena so low but I guess her real strength is only evident when allowed to use custom Specials. I really hope the tourneys allow those that way we can get a full gauge on exactly how strong the fighters are.
Seriously. I really feel like they dropped the ball with how they implemented Custom specials, as it's really hard for me to want to actually practice using them due to the game treating them as an afterthought. I can try to use them offline with the AI, but then the AI will also be using equipment (lumping the specials in with the equipment is one of the biggest things that just bugs me with this iteration), which I avoid outside of specific Solo modes, and I can't use them online except in With Friends, which is fine since you can coordinate with them, while they're banned in For Glory. Ugh.

At least I've gotten used to Palutena without her Customs by now, but her other specials seem much more useful (especially her Down B customs; I'm not getting much mileage out of her Counter compared to other characters that have counter moves).

I don't have much to say about the rest of the list, though Sonic and Mega Man are much higher than I anticipated, which pleases me.


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