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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#66801: Dec 31st 2014 at 8:30:29 AM

Sakurai is being narrow-minded though. Saying that if you want to play a competitive fighting game you should go play SF, Tekken and the like doesn't sound really fair considering that Smash has a much different gameplay style compared to any other fighting game and it's part of the reason people play the game competitively, because of everything it has to offer. People who have fun with competitive Smash possibly wouldn't enjoy other fighting games as much.

And a fighting game doesn't need loads of inputs to be competitive, Melee itself is proof of it.

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#66802: Dec 31st 2014 at 8:30:46 AM

The unknowable.

[up]I think he just really doesn't want to make a game like Melee again. Making a competitive fighting game, even accidentally, never seems to have been his goal.

edited 31st Dec '14 8:38:31 AM by edvedd

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#66804: Dec 31st 2014 at 8:49:20 AM

[up]I just hope that the low-priority characters that were cut due to time constraints will be among the first DLC characters.

edited 31st Dec '14 8:49:25 AM by KSoniK

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#66805: Dec 31st 2014 at 9:00:51 AM

No wonder Xander Mobus sounds so confused when he announces him.

Bowser...Jr.?

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#66806: Dec 31st 2014 at 9:48:24 AM

By the way, is the AI for Smash Tour set higher than the AI for Smash Run? It feels like it is.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#66807: Dec 31st 2014 at 10:01:59 AM

Its just more consistently higher.

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#66808: Dec 31st 2014 at 10:05:26 AM

This time our project-proposal is dated May 2012, at that time all characters were decided already. Then as production moves on we will say “We won’t put that character in” and cut out low-priority-characters.

So how about that "bonus characters" thing?

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#66809: Dec 31st 2014 at 10:07:40 AM

Mewtwo is the result. For some people anyway.

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#66810: Dec 31st 2014 at 10:13:03 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if there were last-minute additions to the roster, if Lucina and Dark Pit are any indication. Also, I don't know much about X/Y's development cycle, but Greninja was probably added later as well.

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#66811: Dec 31st 2014 at 10:28:34 AM

He was in consideration before his design was finished or named.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#66812: Dec 31st 2014 at 10:29:14 AM

I think Greninja must've been included fairly early considering Sakurai said he didn't even have a name when he began working on him.

And Gre[nja]'d because stupid phone

edited 31st Dec '14 10:32:12 AM by FullMoon

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#66813: Dec 31st 2014 at 12:01:07 PM

I'm glad Smash isn't more competitive. I'd start getting edged out by people who just wanted to win...

And I feel like they'd take out all of those fun modes that aren't as "competition-friendly".

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#66814: Dec 31st 2014 at 12:29:02 PM

I'll never understand how divisive competitive Smash is. Every game that has any element of competition will have a tournament scene of some kind. Some have greater staying power than others, most of the time by pure accident. Street Fighter II was an accident. Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 was an accident. Smash Bros (mostly Melee though) was an accident. Yet out of all of those it's Smash Bros that gets the brunt of the less competitive fanbase outcrying against it. What's the point, anyway? You're not going to stop it, it works extremely well for a competitive game and it's entertaining as a spectator game.

I'm not saying the competitive community isn't at fault at all (believe me, I know and get annoyed at certain players too) but I don't get why there has to be such a backlash against it.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#66815: Dec 31st 2014 at 12:38:16 PM

Competitive players don't like randomness and inequality in their fighting.

Casual players don't like restrictive rules and over-balancing in theirs.

Separate they work fine, but when you combine them you have a conflict of beliefs that manifests not only in the fighting itself, but the meta-fighting—that is, fighting about how they should fight. ;p

Which is what makes fighting in Smash a bigger point of contention than other games. Things like first-person shooters and racers are already balanced because everybody mostly uses the same type of character, and regular fighting games are all on the same plane and seldom use any outside assistance...

But Smash has so many variables. The items, the stage hazards, and now the customizations, and even with Omega stages they still want to classify which of the normal stages are "tournament-worthy".

edited 31st Dec '14 12:38:44 PM by Keybreak

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#66816: Dec 31st 2014 at 12:49:27 PM

And both sides have their bad seeds. Overcompetitive jerks on one side, pompous pricks on the other, us stuck in the middle trying to have fun playing the game how we like because one side or the other keeps trying to drag us by the hair over to their side, if not then forcing us to pick a side then lambasting us for not picking their side.

edited 31st Dec '14 12:50:03 PM by MightyKombat

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#66817: Dec 31st 2014 at 12:59:30 PM

Greninja was quite clearly early, since he decided on him well before the character even had a name.

@edvedd: I didn't see Bowser Jr. in that interview. I don't understand how that conclusion came to.

I get why some characters were cut when time constraints came up(IC's and PT had issues relating to the 3DS' limitations, though. On the other hand, PT was pretty badly executed and had lag and other balance issues, so splitting them up was something I could see happening regardless of the 3DS' limitations).

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#66818: Dec 31st 2014 at 1:04:27 PM

[up][up]Basically all of this.

[up]

We had discussions on giving up on something many many times, Bowser Jr. was on the brink of being cut but the staff said “We’ll do our best!” and we made it.

The writer was just beating around the bush for whatever silly reason.

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#66819: Dec 31st 2014 at 1:04:49 PM

[up][up]

There are cases where we simply couldn’t make it in the end, but on the whole we did a good job I think and the people at Bandai Namco Games did a great job. We had discussions on giving up on something many many times, Bowser Jr. was on the brink of being cut but the staff said “We’ll do our best!” and we made it.

And Gre[nja]'d again because phone.

edited 31st Dec '14 1:05:59 PM by FullMoon

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#66820: Dec 31st 2014 at 1:06:27 PM

I find it odd when people say that Melee proves that Fighting games don't need to have complex controls to be competitive. How long did it take them to be able to perform Wavedashing consistently, or to get the timing down for L-Canceling?

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#66821: Dec 31st 2014 at 1:06:46 PM

I don't know how I missed that. I didn't even skim. >_<

Anyway, glad he got in, though.

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fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#66822: Dec 31st 2014 at 2:00:50 PM

L-canceling isn't that complex and wavedashing is, I think, not as essential as everyone thinks it is!

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#66823: Dec 31st 2014 at 2:07:49 PM

I finally got around to freeing my Mario Amiibo from its plastic prison. Is "Fiyahballs" a good name for Mario, or is it more of a Yoshi name?

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#66824: Dec 31st 2014 at 2:12:37 PM

So,how do you use Rest? I mean, standing literally as close as possible to your target in Training doesn't seem to do the trick.

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#66825: Dec 31st 2014 at 2:14:13 PM

[up] You have to actually be facing your target.

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