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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#65726: Dec 8th 2014 at 9:30:56 PM

My idea for implementing Dead Man's Volley is as follows:

  • Ganondorf can charge the projectile through three phases:
    • Stage one is relatively weak, and travels in a straight line, either forward or at 45-degree angles based on input.
    • Stage two is stronger and faster, and homes in on an opponent (And when reflected, on Ganondorf).
    • Stage three becomes the black hole attack with the snaking energy beams. Homes in for a powerful multi-hit attack.
  • Any attack will reflect the ball back at Ganondorf, who can hit it back. It slightly gains speed each time.
  • To give Ganondorf the home field advantage, as long as an energy ball is on the field his neutral-B becomes a very swift-but-weak backhand ideal for tennis. Thus, against a skilled Ganon you're better off just dodging rather than trying to engage him, but it can be interesting at lower-level play or if you're feeling confident.
  • The third stage can't be reflected, except by standard reflective properties (And even then, won't home in on Ganondorf, just scatter). This is good if you want to just fire off a powerful move rather than risk engaging in tennis.

I haven't bothered to look at how Project M did this, I've had the idea since long before they implemented it, and honestly don't care what they did anyway.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#65727: Dec 8th 2014 at 10:45:04 PM

Question: Do I need the GC adaptor to play 8 player Smash? The Wii U usually only allows 4 controllers plus the gamepad so I have no idea how I would connect the extra controllers.

the8thdigidestined Digimon is coming back! from Odaiba *Wii U Handle: Lyokonerd* Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#65728: Dec 8th 2014 at 11:04:01 PM

So earlier I was quite bored. So I went to 8 player and watched some Lv. 9 CPU matches For Glory.

Pikachu won one match, then 2 matches later he won again against characters such as Donkey Kong, Little Mac. Winning with a whopping 12 K Os!!!!! O.O

I shall never underestimate that little yellow rodent again.

[up]DAMMIT! I couldn't find any cute profile Pokemon Christmas pictures! sad

edited 8th Dec '14 11:05:56 PM by the8thdigidestined

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#65729: Dec 8th 2014 at 11:04:04 PM

You don't need the adapter. You can have just the gamepad, Wiimotes, 3DS's with Smash 3DS on them...

Basically just enough of any controller.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#65730: Dec 8th 2014 at 11:07:08 PM

The game allows 7 other wiimotes specifically for this game. I checked on the back of the box for that reason. The eighth is presumably the Gamepad.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#65731: Dec 8th 2014 at 11:39:21 PM

So in 8 player, someone's stuck with the Gamepad no matter what?

I sure said that!
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#65732: Dec 8th 2014 at 11:42:53 PM

No, I'm pretty sure you can take it out.

What do you mean "stuck with", it's great. I prefer playing on it instead of my TV to save power, my eyesight, and my eardrums.

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the8thdigidestined Digimon is coming back! from Odaiba *Wii U Handle: Lyokonerd* Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Digimon is coming back!
#65733: Dec 8th 2014 at 11:46:23 PM

[up]It's just so bulky! sad

And can't you hook up two adapters to your Wii U?

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#65734: Dec 8th 2014 at 11:50:18 PM

Yes you can.

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#65735: Dec 8th 2014 at 11:51:49 PM

[up][up][up][up]Only if you use Wiimotes/Pro/Classic Controllers and nothing else. You can mix them with Gamecube controllers and 3DSes.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#65736: Dec 9th 2014 at 12:29:29 AM

What do you mean "stuck with", it's great. I prefer playing on it instead of my TV to save power, my eyesight, and my eardrums.
Mostly it comes down to how awkward it is to have the right stick above the main face buttons, on top of general hugeness.

edited 9th Dec '14 12:30:10 AM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#65737: Dec 9th 2014 at 2:39:43 AM

But again, those are incidental things, not his specialty. I'm not going to sit here and pretend Ganondorf copying Falcon was anything besides a desperate last-minute addition that became set in stone for shaky reasons. Tradition, contrary to popular belief, is not a justification of anything in and of itself.

Neither am I. However, That does not mean that Ganondorf isn't an accomplished brawler as well. But the moveset as-is does a very good job representing his ridiculous power and brutality, which are the only consistent things about him (and like how Zelda gets the magic specials Link used + the Phantom to showcase her magic prowess). Also, I could say the same thing about change that you'd claim about tradition.

Besides that, Ike being introduced laid any Sword!dorf movesets on ice.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#65738: Dec 9th 2014 at 2:44:31 AM

Besides that, Ike being introduced laid any Sword!dorf movesets on ice.
I genuinely don't understand what you're trying to say here.

... Are we seriously still hanging up on the whole "all sword users are identical" thing that showed up from nowhere halfway through the Melee era?

I sure said that!
Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#65739: Dec 9th 2014 at 3:03:33 AM

No, the opposite: Sword wielders in the franchise use different tactics from each other, Link being a versatile weaponmaster who prefers his sword, Marth being a swordman who keeps the opponent at the tip of his sword thanks to finesse-based play, Ike fullfilling the strong swordman type, and Pit (if you count him) has dual blades. If Ganondorf got a sword moveset now, he'd be pretty similiar to Ike except with darkness instead of fire. And with the addition of Robin, deviating from this by giving him magic attacks would make him more similiar to him instead. Or even to Link himself in regards of using not just swordplay.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#65740: Dec 9th 2014 at 3:05:59 AM

Dammit Folt, you basically pre-empted me on what I was about to say this whole time!

But seriously, he's not principally a martial artist.
I think thinking of him the way he is now as a "martial artist" is a little misleading because that implies skill, technique, finesse, that sort of stuff, while his most iconic moves are just the kinds of simple punches and kicks you can only use if you're a 200-pound mass of muscles. I actually rather like G-dorf's concept right now because it implies so much of the Power that he's pretty much the paragon of. He's supposed to be an incredibly powerful being and actually be invincible to all but Light Arrows and the Master Sword, so by all means it feels like he shouldn't be able to go all out without being overpowered for this game. So I actually like that he doesn't use his sword or too much of his magic. It's just a concept I like in general, admittedly. This slow, big person who just has unstoppable power, without being a giant 3-ton gorilla or dragon turtle. If he had his sword and his magic, I think it'd feel pretty anticlimactic because they'd still have to balance him and it'd feel like "wow, even like this he's kind of underwhelming". Of course, he's kinda underwhelming now as one of the worst characters, but... man, I dunno!

I kinda half-agree with your point in that I want to see him lose the moves that are very clearly borrowed from Falcon and make no sense on him. Up-tilt, up-air, up-b and down-b, all of those are far too acrobatic or just weird. And I wouldn't mind if he had some of his magic, something like Ness' PK Flash maybe, rarely practical to use in battle but demonstrates how powerful he can be when he lets loose... But in principle I'm super-okay with him just being this big guy who oozes power. Like Broly from DBZ basically! Or the Terminator!

edited 9th Dec '14 3:07:46 AM by Fawriel

Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
Warlock Necromancer
#65741: Dec 9th 2014 at 3:15:55 AM

Nah, let him have his u-tilt. It's so radically changed it's practically a different move altogether.

In my headcanon, most of those are Ganondorf achieving results similiar to Falcon through the use of dark magic. I'd have no problem changing uair however (and Dark Dive, if less so because the customs he has from that one rules).

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#65742: Dec 9th 2014 at 4:47:08 AM

This is too hilarious not to post here! [lol]

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#65743: Dec 9th 2014 at 4:50:30 AM

I just know I'd be mad if they got rid of the Warlock Punch like P:M did. Especially since Falcon Punch is now utterly worthless (It can't even KO a highly-damaged Master Core)!

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#65744: Dec 9th 2014 at 7:25:14 AM

[up][up][up][up] Ganondorf is far from being one of the worst characters. In fact I think people put him on C rank instead of F like he was in Brawl, which is a major improvement.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#65745: Dec 9th 2014 at 7:26:16 AM

Nah, let him have his u-tilt. It's so radically changed it's practically a different move altogether.
Sure it functions entirely differently. It also fits both the criterion of being too acrobatic and being flat-out weird, and tops it off with being entirely useless and in fact a complete hindrance if you happen to use it by accident.

Beaver Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#65746: Dec 9th 2014 at 7:34:20 AM

I still don't fully understand conquest mode so can someone explain it?

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#65747: Dec 9th 2014 at 7:58:06 AM

I have an idea for Ganondorf. How about, for a replacement Down B, he fires a projectile that's both powerful, and can't be reflected or Pocketed or Bucketed? But it's a move you have to charge fully.

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#65748: Dec 9th 2014 at 8:08:39 AM

[up] That sounds pretty good.

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edited 9th Dec '14 8:11:23 AM by Hungryguy

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#65749: Dec 9th 2014 at 8:37:48 AM

...The convo about Ganon made me realize something in regards to Smash and the Zelda series:

  • Link/Toon Link = Courage = Playstyle involves using weaponry Link gained from braving various dungeons throughout the series.

  • Zelda = Wisdom = Uses magic based on light and the three Goddesses of Hyrule. Is the most technical of the Zelda characters, which includes her alter ego, Sheik (despite trading her magic for acrobatics, she's still technical in execution).

  • Ganondorf = Power = Despite having a moveset based on someone entirely unrelated to the series, his playstyle is still based heavily on pure power. When given the chance, he's capable of finishing off foes much more easily than Link or Zelda.

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#65750: Dec 9th 2014 at 8:41:39 AM

What should be done for customized fighters is that only customized movesets should be allowed online, and not the stat-altering gear.

That way Gandondorf can use his sword attack and Pauletena won't be completely useless.

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