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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#65551: Dec 7th 2014 at 10:49:56 AM

Depends on the game. Jigglypuff likes a lot of wiggle room to recover for instance, so given their way in Melee they would rather play on Dream Land 64 than, say, Yoshi's Story.

And this has been around since the 64 days, so yeah.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#65552: Dec 7th 2014 at 10:54:03 AM

Every stage in 64 had hazards except for Battlefield, Final Destination, and Metal Mario's stage, and you couldn't even play those legitimately with others.

It's funny...ever since Brawl the "first" mode to play was VS. mode, when at first it was single-player. tongue

I still miss those old stages though. Mushroom Kingdom was probably my favorite . I liked putting two different characters on the scales to see which one weighed more.

Also turning the camera to see what was right off the sides...Melee's Camera Mode let you turn the camera all the way around to the front.

edited 7th Dec '14 10:55:50 AM by Keybreak

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ConstipatedWaffle For The Most Ridley-culous Cause from The Edge Of Insanity Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
For The Most Ridley-culous Cause
#65553: Dec 7th 2014 at 10:58:50 AM

If I remember correctly, Dream Land, Congo Jungle, and Yoshi's Island were the only stages allowed in American competitive 64 play, and Dream Land was the only one allowed in Japanese competitive.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#65554: Dec 7th 2014 at 11:02:14 AM

Also funny because those were the only stages to get to Melee.

I really liked Peach's Castle and Hyrule Castle. That inexplicable bumper, those inexplicable triangles on the sides, that inexplicable moving bridge on the bottom, and that inexplicable tornado on the roof of Hyrule Castle. [lol]

Things made a lot less sense back then.

edited 7th Dec '14 11:02:30 AM by Keybreak

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#65555: Dec 7th 2014 at 11:02:30 AM

They weren't as intrusive as some of the later game's hazards though. One of the things that determines a stage's legality is how telegraphed the hazards can be. A bumper on Peach's Castle isn't nearly as intrusive as, say, a boss on a stage in 4.

What was 64's ban list again, anyway? I know Saffron City and Hyrule Castle are, but I can't remember the rest.

Edit: Ah, [nja]'d. Guess I underestimated some of them.

edited 7th Dec '14 11:03:47 AM by Nap1100

doctrainaum White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#65556: Dec 7th 2014 at 11:06:57 AM

It seems that nowadays, even hazards that are telegraphed well in advance are reason enough to ban a stage.

I wonder if it tells you anything that my favorite Melee stage was Big Blue. I was quite disappointed that it didn't make the cut for SSB 4.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#65557: Dec 7th 2014 at 11:08:57 AM

Big Blue was also my favorite...I loved putting on bunny hoods and trying to outrun the racers.

Also Pokefloats.

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Yinyang107 from the True North (Decatroper) Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
#65558: Dec 7th 2014 at 11:18:51 AM

@weighing characters on scales: one of the Mario stages on 3DS has scales like that.

Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#65559: Dec 7th 2014 at 11:38:25 AM

Something not many people know though is that in most tourney rules, players can play on a banned stage if both parties agree to it. Most players don't do this though.

goldmonkey 1000 chords and the truth from under your bed. Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
1000 chords and the truth
#65560: Dec 7th 2014 at 11:39:25 AM

Just had the greatest team smash match of my life with some friends. Four people, 3 stocks, omega gerudo valley. Palutena, Sonic vs Pikachu, and me as ZS Samus.

Pikachu kinda got ganged up on leaving me alone, everyone with one stock. They're both trying to double team me but I grab Palutena and down throw her. She goes high and I follow her. He expects me to Boost kick her but I down B over her and meteor smash her down. to deathzone. Sonic tries to spin dash me midair immediately afterwards, misses and gets boost kicked into the sky. Both go down in like 5 seconds in one fell swoop.GG.

Never been prouder.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#65561: Dec 7th 2014 at 11:49:45 AM

[up] Well done.

Something not many people know though is that in most tourney rules, players can play on a banned stage if both parties agree to it. Most players don't do this though.
I think it demonstrates pretty nicely something that a lot of people tend to forget about, which is that tournament rules are made to make the competitive experience as enjoyable as possible for everyone involved. Sometimes you get boring, restrictive rules for the same reason you get boring, restrictive laws in real life - to ensure that no one abuses the system and ruins everyone's day.

edited 7th Dec '14 11:50:54 AM by Fawriel

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#65562: Dec 7th 2014 at 11:52:48 AM

@Fawriel Yeah, that's lame too. :p

That's why I like house rules. At least friends are more permissive, and you get to see how they play too.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#65563: Dec 7th 2014 at 12:03:58 PM

For friendly matches, I usually allow stuff with loop issues like Tomodachi Life or Big Battlefield or so on because they're not gonna be jerks about it there. I also usually allow plenty-of-warning stages like Port Town Aero Dive and so on as well.

I sure said that!
Blueeyedrat Since: Oct, 2010
#65564: Dec 7th 2014 at 12:16:19 PM

Mii Gunner is really good for Multi-Man Smash.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#65565: Dec 7th 2014 at 12:26:51 PM

As long as other players have fun, it doesn't matter.

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GreatT HOT DOG Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
HOT DOG
#65566: Dec 7th 2014 at 12:32:57 PM

It takes a...

Y'know what I can't even remember the overly long intro theme, so here.

They even have the bearded bastard guy. Not that he holds a candle to Villager.

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goldmonkey 1000 chords and the truth from under your bed. Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
1000 chords and the truth
#65567: Dec 7th 2014 at 12:35:06 PM

I've also realized Zelda is fucking great in 8-man smash. Just aim and teleport and odds are you'll whack into a few people and kill them. So you have a move that evades and attacks in a mode that is pure chaos.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun

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Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#65568: Dec 7th 2014 at 12:42:01 PM

3DS and Wii U Version comparison. I'm still more impressed with how well the 3DS handles the game, even if it has to limit itself to do it.

EDIT: And I didn't realize the black/red electrical spark that signifies a (possible) killing blow was in the Wii U version.

edited 7th Dec '14 12:45:56 PM by Customer

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#65569: Dec 7th 2014 at 1:05:25 PM

Want some blueprints for stage builder?

@"fun" stages being banned: Not only is there money at stake in tournaments, a lot of people don't like hazards. One person's fun is another person's stress. If I wanted my win to be decided by a roll of the dice, then I'd just roll some actual dice and get it over with.

edited 7th Dec '14 1:06:43 PM by BaffleBlend

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#65570: Dec 7th 2014 at 1:12:10 PM

Huh, some of those stages actually look interesting. I think my first attempt turned out simple but actually deceptively interesting, but it's a little hard to explain. How did everyone take those screenshots? Using the photo function of the game? Does it save them in a regular file format? I guess I'll have to find a compatible SD card somewhere... It's probably still really picky about those, too, isn't it?

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#65571: Dec 7th 2014 at 1:19:20 PM

Most people use the screenshot function, but to get the grid, I had to use Miiverse.

(I am really proud of my Pirate Ship and how I managed to implement the catapult. There's a large moving platform that acts as a trapdoor that'll drop you into a cannon if you walk over it carelessly, almost like the original.)

edited 7th Dec '14 1:21:07 PM by BaffleBlend

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Beaver Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#65572: Dec 7th 2014 at 1:37:48 PM

So what's your record for Crazy Orders? I got 12 rounds once.

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#65573: Dec 7th 2014 at 1:47:41 PM

I think I'm at 16.

It's hard keeping your damage low and finishing those matches fast enough...you gotta average just 30 seconds a fight to be able to get that 20 Crazy Orders with Mario challenge.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#65574: Dec 7th 2014 at 2:11:15 PM

I am quite glad that Smash U has more competitively viable stages than most of the others. It's good to have variance in stage layout sometimes.

Also saying Smash isn't supposed to be played the way the tournaments work really doesn't hold any water now considering that the game was made with competitive players in mind so much that they made the Omega Stages and even an entire online mode to play like that.

Smash is meant to be played the way you want to and there's no "true" way to play it.

doctrainaum White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#65575: Dec 7th 2014 at 2:16:35 PM

I have no idea how I'm supposed to finish that uncover-all-of-picture-at-end-of-classic-mode Challenge (the Golden Hammer is not a solution). I've tried using every item that comes my way, tried the fastest moves that hit the largest areas, but I still haven't gotten to even 95%. It's really frustrating how the closer you get, the less each hit is worth.

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