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Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#65476: Dec 5th 2014 at 11:24:34 PM

So I just found out that if you don't break Master Core fast enough when it's in its core form, it rises into the air and off-waves you.

How...really really lame.

...Well then. I didn't know that. Good thing I didn't lollygag when I was trying to beat Classic at 9.0. Speaking of Master Core, how's Master Fortress? Challenging but fair, or just a cheap additional form that can screw you out of perfect runs/Challenges?

[regarding Mewtwo Mega-Evolving into Mega Mewtwo Y]Why would there be more complaining about that
Mega Mewtwo Y has a stigma against it thanks to how Mewtwo was presented in the... thirteenth?... Pokemon movie (where it's known as Girl!Mewtwo in the fandom for some reason; I've never seen the movie), as well as it being the center of attention as far as Mega Evos were concerned during the early promotional materials for X & Y (before Mega Charizard X took that spotlight). Some Mewtwo fans would rather that Smash!Mewtwo not have anything to do with its Mega Evolutions upon its return to the series.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#65477: Dec 5th 2014 at 11:49:49 PM

Master Fortress is challenging but fair the first couple times you face it. Once you memorize where the enemies spawn, though, it becomes an absolute joke since it's very predictable. Fun, though.

The only enemies that are really problematic are the Stalfos since they can't be killed easily and attack quickly. The Lethiniums should be your top priority and can't defend themselves if you rush them first, the Plasma Wisps are rare, fragile, and easy to kill, the Zoomers can be ignored.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#65478: Dec 6th 2014 at 12:09:58 AM

WARNING. CHALLENGER APPROACHING

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#65479: Dec 6th 2014 at 1:44:16 AM

I really, REALLY don't get why new Hats just suddenly stop dropping once you get to 40 in both versions of the game. This is really bad RNG, and it needs to be fixed in a patch or completing this game will be impossible.

EDIT: ...And after I bitch about this, I get two new Hats.

edited 6th Dec '14 1:59:37 AM by TheMageofFire

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#65480: Dec 6th 2014 at 2:49:31 AM

@Customer: I guess? I dunno, the assertion that people would rather have Lucariootwo than a Mewtwo that can Mega-Evolve just rubs me the wrong way somehow. I'm sure there are some people who can't stand mega evolutions and whatnot, but almost everyone who likes Mewtwo would have a reason to be pissed off if they got lazy with its moveset like that. I know I would be!

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#65481: Dec 6th 2014 at 5:03:51 AM

I honestly can't see Mewtwo having anything but Y as a final smash. It's just so recognizable.

And the people complaining about Movie 16 (Yes, 16) made the mistake of still actually caring about what's been a Franchise Zombie for over a decade now. Though I'm not complaining about Lady Mewtwo's portrayal there, either — I'm happy there's canonically more than one, so I don't have to feel guilty about having one.

[up]How would it be lazy? Not even the two pokémon that already have Megas function the same. Charizard X is a semitransformation, and Mega Lucario is... Not even a full transformation like Giga Bowser/Wario Man/Giga Mac, it doesn't change his moves, it just pumps up his aura mechanic to his upper limits. That's all it does. If Y was a complete transformation, it would still be distinct from the other two Megas.

edited 6th Dec '14 5:08:20 AM by BaffleBlend

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#65482: Dec 6th 2014 at 5:23:32 AM

Meanwhile, in apartments across Japan, this is happening.

Link is totally boned, by the way.

edited 6th Dec '14 5:24:16 AM by edvedd

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#65484: Dec 6th 2014 at 7:12:16 AM

[up][up][up]He was talking about his moveset, not the FS.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
doctrainaum White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#65485: Dec 6th 2014 at 7:16:08 AM

@Baffle: It's a bit of a shame that Charizard-X is a rip-off of Yoshi's Super Dragon.

"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#65486: Dec 6th 2014 at 7:18:56 AM

Huh, I finally have seen video of Master Core off waves

And huh, if you survive it, it eventually explodes with you winning tongue So I guess its "I'M GONNA TAKE YOU WITH MEEEE" but bit delayed

edited 6th Dec '14 7:21:50 AM by SpookyMask

Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#65487: Dec 6th 2014 at 7:24:18 AM

@Customer: I guess? I dunno, the assertion that people would rather have Lucariootwo than a Mewtwo that can Mega-Evolve just rubs me the wrong way somehow. I'm sure there are some people who can't stand mega evolutions and whatnot, but almost everyone who likes Mewtwo would have a reason to be pissed off if they got lazy with its moveset like that. I know I would be!
Oh so that's what you were referring to. Your comment that I responded to sounded like you were asking why people would complain about Mewtwo Mega Evolving for its Final Smash (since all you said was "that" and the discussion before that point was just talking about its Final Smash rather than Tropesofknoledge's post about it being a Lucario clone). Of course, I could've just botched up my interpretation of the discussion in general (I read it right when I woke up).

edited 6th Dec '14 7:25:40 AM by Customer

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#65489: Dec 6th 2014 at 7:37:51 AM

Two misunderstandings on one page, I should probably work on expressing myself more clearly.

By the way, isn't there a way to turn off the gamepad as you play? It really bothers me how Nintendo keeps making you waste so much energy on the controllers.

Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#65490: Dec 6th 2014 at 7:38:22 AM

[up][up]That was pretty slick. And with Ganondorf no less (then again, ol' Ganon would be the one to taunt the heart of an Eldritch Abomination and then dodge all of its final attempts to hit him tongue).

Also, that JP commercial was hilarious [lol]

EDIT:By the way, the mom is playing as Ness. Nice subtle Mother reference, Nintendo. tongue

edited 6th Dec '14 7:45:00 AM by Customer

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#65491: Dec 6th 2014 at 9:04:34 AM

@Baffle: It's a bit of a shame that Charizard-X is a rip-off of Yoshi's Super Dragon.
Well, not quite. Aside from the handling being different, Charizard can pick each of its attacks- B is Fire Blast, A is Dragon Rush. Yoshi can either spit fireballs with either button or eventually spews a stream of fire if you wait without attacking long enough.

I sure said that!
Tropesofknowledge The Man with the Golden Gun from Your local Cinnabon Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
The Man with the Golden Gun
#65493: Dec 6th 2014 at 11:07:52 AM

Well now someone has to find out who Sakurai mains. It's probably Kirby.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#65494: Dec 6th 2014 at 11:25:47 AM

Supposedly it's Ganondorf, hence why he's refused to make him anything but Falcon minus most of his good points for two games running now.

Melee doesn't count- There the choice was Falcon Ganon or no Ganon at all.

I sure said that!
doctrainaum White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#65495: Dec 6th 2014 at 11:42:28 AM

That's why I loved Ganondorf in Melee. He was a Captain Falcon who didn't slide all over the place and had a Forward-Air I could land more than one out of ten times.

"What's out there? What's waiting for me?"
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#65496: Dec 6th 2014 at 1:31:12 PM

That moveset is an original Smash moveset anyway, and Divergent Character Evolution has settled in; Ganondorf nowadays plays quite differently from Falcon, and Smash 4 Ganon is quite decent now that hitstun is a thing.

As for Mewtwo, there's Psystrike as a Final Smash. Which is a Sphere of Destruction and a signature move that wouldn't be done justice as a regular special.

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#65497: Dec 6th 2014 at 2:59:15 PM

Sakurai's on the far left. He picked Random.

Also, the Falcon/Ganon moveset... I'd mind if it was explicitly from F-Zero, but it's not. Captain Falcon even being a playable character in the first place is because his body type was the same as the characters in Dragon King: The Fighting Game, so they could easily etexture it without changing its moveset.

As for Psystrike; it's his FS in P:M, and... I don't really like it.

edited 6th Dec '14 3:00:44 PM by BaffleBlend

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#65498: Dec 6th 2014 at 4:48:37 PM

That moveset is an original Smash moveset anyway, and Divergent Character Evolution has settled in; Ganondorf nowadays plays quite differently from Falcon, and Smash 4 Ganon is quite decent now that hitstun is a thing.
I really don't understand that statement. Ganondorf was still Falcon with his excellent mobility dropped for an unnecessary power boost in Brawl and that hasn't changed for Smash 4- He's still basically Falcon, minus most of what makes Falcon a good character, for no reason beyond not alienating the handful of Ganondorf players left from what Brawl did to him.

Even by that logic it fails- Why is it so damn important to placate old hands at Ganondorf, but perfectly alright to shout screw-yous to anyone who liked to play Lucas, Wolf or Ice Climbers?

Also, the Falcon/Ganon moveset... I'd mind if it was explicitly from F-Zero, but it's not. Captain Falcon even being a playable character in the first place is because his body type was the same as the characters in Dragon King: The Fighting Game, so they could easily etexture it without changing its moveset.
Conveniently ignoring the fact that, while Falcon was ultimately a surprise inclusion used to retain the very earliest bits of the game that became Smash 64, Ganondorf actually did things in his own series that could be called "fighting".

Seriously, why's Falcon-but-slow-and-barely-mobile so great to everyone else? Why did it capture everyone's hearts and minds in a way Marth-but-with-inverted-hit-properties-and-fire didn't? Why is everyone so quick to settle for an exceedingly poor design choice in a game ostensibly about being a retrospective?

I genuinely don't understand.

edited 6th Dec '14 4:53:26 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Konknitive Dissonance
#65499: Dec 6th 2014 at 5:01:17 PM

Here's my big reason:

I just enjoy playing as Ganondorf.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#65500: Dec 6th 2014 at 5:03:01 PM

And plenty of people loved playing as Lucas and Wolf and Ice Climbers. Sure sucks to be them, neener neener, right?

I sure said that!

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