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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#65101: Nov 29th 2014 at 3:57:13 PM

[up][up]The person who knocked Waveshine out went on to win the tournament as a whole. I'm pretty sure the little figure at least knew enough to put up a fight.

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#65102: Nov 29th 2014 at 3:59:13 PM

[up][up][up]Its about as Playable as Brawls Online way late in its life time...

But its generally better, since you won't get much lag at all. Even better on Wii-U.

edited 29th Nov '14 3:59:25 PM by randomness4

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#65103: Nov 29th 2014 at 4:05:54 PM

Of course the Amiibos could put up a fight. Any computer can.

And Chess is beyond a poor comparison. Every move can be programmed into it. Every move humans can do. This does not work for many fighting games because it has too many factors and combos you can do that won't be programmed in. A good amount of combos are human-made for a reason. Actually, they all are. The ones the computers do are programmed in by humans. Every Chess combo is made by humans first and programmed into the computer. The game has very little factors to give humans a better advantage, so of course the computer is going to do better. The game is designed for human skill to be less of a factor. There aren't elaborate combos to make. The games are too widely different to ultimately compare.

The only real reason that Fox did so well was that the game is very low level still so there wasn't much needed to learn to knock out players who are still low level(as is everyone still), and that it pretty much had stat bonuses. It still has a limit humans never will have in general. Apples to Oranges.

In the end, humans will always have an advantage over computers because we lack a limit. That's just how we were born, without limits to our thought processes. Nothing was programmed in, since we have true creativity, something computers lack. A computer that learns does not have creativity. They have a limit in that way. Even animals have more creativity than computers do, and they lack many qualities(like language and removing nature-based instincts).

Anyway, this is getting a bit off-topic. Yes, humans and computers are severely different in the end, and practicing against one will not truly prepare you for the other. It is getting better to the point where playing against humans can decently prepare you for computers now, but the other way around does not truly apply.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#65104: Nov 29th 2014 at 4:06:39 PM

Hmph. Well i was wondering if amiibos hit harder even with customizations off, but even if they don't, that doesn't make them "worthless". In fact, totally the opposite.

If you were looking for something fairer to fight, then there's always level 9s.

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#65105: Nov 29th 2014 at 4:42:40 PM

I at least intend to use my Amiibo as a tutor. They learn to specifically counter what you do, so I'll get prepared for at least how not to be so predictable. And if they land combos against me, for fuck's sakes I'm going to try that combo.

(Besides, losing to a Yoshi is a lot less embarrassing than losing to a person and getting a permanent scar on my For Glory record.)

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#65106: Nov 29th 2014 at 4:52:03 PM

The problem arises when the only people I can practice against with any semblance of regularity are all naturally just better at me.

No matter what game we play.

So I plan on training an Amiibo to level 50 and having that avenge me when one of us gets the Wii U version.

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#65107: Nov 29th 2014 at 5:05:42 PM

Decoy and I will train each other up. I'll grow stronger than him, he'll adapt to me and other people, I'll beat him again, he'll train some more...

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#65108: Nov 29th 2014 at 5:40:21 PM

[up]I'm just going to warn you now, this can only end in the amiibo becoming sentient and trying to kill you. I've seen enough sci-fi to know where this is going.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#65110: Nov 29th 2014 at 5:50:38 PM

The problem arises when the only people I can practice against with any semblance of regularity are all naturally just better at me.

That's not so much a problem as someone you might be looking for. I've found the best way to get better at a game is to consistently play people who are better enough at it than you that you're constantly checked and your mistakes constantly exploited, but not so much better that they steamroll you before you can learn anything. And then continuing to play them when your skills become more even. Knowing people who are extremely good at the game and also good at both holding back and giving advice is helpful, too.

That said, the effect is a lot more effective when playing in person rather than online...

edited 29th Nov '14 5:54:09 PM by KnownUnknown

stephanreiken Since: May, 2010
#65111: Nov 29th 2014 at 5:52:26 PM

A thought from an earlier post..

But banning a Stage for 'Meta' seems a bit of a stretch.

I've been running my Amiibos through 8 player Brawl smashes against eachother and level 9 cpus. 99 Stock, eventually I'll fight them and see how it goes.

edited 29th Nov '14 5:53:50 PM by stephanreiken

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#65112: Nov 29th 2014 at 6:18:08 PM

I've been thinking a lot about Toy Story in regards to my amiibo.

Though his feet are welded to the stand like those little army men, I still think that he could come alive and walk around my room. I don't think he'd want to kill me for all of the love I've been giving him when I play, but the other toys on my shelf might get jealous...

To say nothing about all the other toys I have in the garage and the attic which I feel sorry for now that I think about it.

edited 29th Nov '14 6:19:02 PM by Keybreak

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#65113: Nov 29th 2014 at 6:27:30 PM

I've got this powerful urge to add to the stand of my Kirby Amiibo and make it into a Warpstar.

I have a message from another time...
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#65114: Nov 29th 2014 at 6:30:31 PM

I want to see if some people redesign their amiibos, like paint them different colors or put little outfits on them.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#65116: Nov 29th 2014 at 6:37:24 PM

I'm loving Pikachu's goggles.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#65117: Nov 29th 2014 at 6:38:44 PM

But what about Pink Gold Peach?tongue

I sure said that!
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#65118: Nov 29th 2014 at 6:43:19 PM

Also, Sakurai says working on this series is relentless. Seriously, the guy needs a break (and people are already taking the words he says in this article to mean that he'll be working on the next Smash Bros game).

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#65119: Nov 29th 2014 at 6:47:33 PM

Super Smash Bros 5 (or 6): Now with 15 new characters, 8 hours of music, 16-player Smash, and the ability to turn off background effects.

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Beaver Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#65120: Nov 29th 2014 at 6:51:11 PM

But no Ridley

Is this a Jo Jo reference?
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#65121: Nov 29th 2014 at 7:03:33 PM

However, I don't have a lot of experience with crafts, so I don't even know what'd be the right kind of material to use. Keep in mind that I also want to avoid obscuring the underside, because I want it to still work as an Amiibo.

I have a message from another time...
Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#65122: Nov 29th 2014 at 7:05:19 PM

So how many interviews has it been that Sakurai's exposited on the intense, laborious life of a game developer? Is anybody keeping count?

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#65123: Nov 29th 2014 at 7:35:29 PM

but not so much better that they steamroll you before you can learn anything

And THAT'S where I have a problem.

Seriously, if I was competing on an international level, I'd say he would be competing in interdimensional tournaments or something.

edited 29th Nov '14 7:36:40 PM by ultimatepheer

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#65124: Nov 29th 2014 at 8:18:02 PM

I was hoping to find a picture for this!

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#65125: Nov 29th 2014 at 8:21:11 PM

[up]Mr. Game & Fox is my new main.

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer

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