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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#64401: Nov 19th 2014 at 9:13:54 PM

The Zelda CD-i games weren't anywhere near disasters. They just can't stand them because they didn't want them to happen(they tried to get out of the deal last minute and got court-cased about it. Stuff happens. It has zip to do with the quality, which again, was considered "So Okay, It's Average" at the time, and to this day, they still have fans. I talked to at least one person who preferred them over the DS games, except Zelda's Adventure, heh). They obviously aren't canon, but they were considered very mediocre by the critics and even the users. Really, their hatred is severely overstated. Nowadays, they are, but when they were released, their reviews were hardly bad.

Regardless, being purely discontinuity is more of a "we lost the case, we don't want to acknowledge it" situation. Since it's more than them just existing and being "not that great", but the actual baggage that comes along with their existence beyond that. I can't blame them trying to avoid that stuff. Losing a case is a blow to your PR image, after all.

edited 19th Nov '14 9:23:48 PM by Irene

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#64402: Nov 19th 2014 at 9:15:20 PM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#64403: Nov 19th 2014 at 9:17:08 PM

[up][up][up][up]Except Nintendo has expressed disappointment with low game sales, and have left the series to "cool off". They acknowledge it as a failure.

It's being included in SSB because, hated or not, it's the most recent Metroid game and one of the most visually detailed (Which also means they can just import a lot of models rather than design new ones). It's a failure but that doesn't make it Canon Discontinuity.

edited 19th Nov '14 9:17:54 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#64404: Nov 19th 2014 at 9:19:30 PM

The CD-I games and Hotel Mario could easily be swept under the rug. Other M got a large presence at E3 and was poised to become a big budget cutscene heavy narrative driven game that a lot of people wanted from them (in hindsight it was a bad idea from the start). And it was coming off the very well liked Prime Trilogy. The backlash was huge, Metroid canon was put through a grinder, its story had bad implications that we best not get into, confidence was lost in the series, and it failed to grow the series in Japan like it was supposed to. They haven't stopped referencing it (probably because it's the latest Japan-made Metroid), but I highly doubt they liked the result.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#64405: Nov 19th 2014 at 9:22:31 PM

Feh, "failure". Sold a lot more than plenty of other games.

Anyway, I'm tired of Other M bashing. Let's talk about something more upbeat.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#64406: Nov 19th 2014 at 9:26:32 PM

It really didn't. It was a financial flop thanks to poor reviews and word of mouth, and you can now pick it up for like $5 from the bargain bin while many older Nintendo games still sell close to full price. Perhaps it sells better than shovelware, but that's hardly an accomplishment and it was a very high-budget game to boot. You're allowed to like Other M and debate opinions, but please don't try to argue against actual facts.

On that note, we're not bashing Other M. We're discussing its representation in Smash Bros. despite its poor reception.

edited 19th Nov '14 9:27:18 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#64407: Nov 19th 2014 at 9:30:53 PM

They used Other M because they needed, just needed another fire stage for Metroid.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#64408: Nov 19th 2014 at 9:33:41 PM

Just like Donkey Kong absolutely needed another jungle stage.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#64409: Nov 19th 2014 at 9:34:21 PM

You are all bashing it.

@Sterok And Mario needed another platforming stage!

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#64410: Nov 19th 2014 at 9:39:03 PM

At least jungle is representative of the general setting of Donkey Kong, though not all the specifics.

I'd pay good money for a bramble stage, or Kremco, or a Zinger Hive or something.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#64411: Nov 19th 2014 at 9:43:42 PM

What they need to do is make stages out of trophies again.

I want to fight on top of R.O.B.'s head...

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#64412: Nov 19th 2014 at 9:44:03 PM

Other M slightly underperformed for a Metroid game in Japan and massively underperformed in the traditional stronghold of the series in the US and the PAL territories. Without getting into the gory detail of the poorly-planned and very intrusive narrative, the game still was a major disappointment for Nintendo. We got an Other M stage most likely for the same reason we got a fair bit if Sonic '06stuff in Brawl: Development started when it was thought it could still be salvaged somewhat.

EDIT: And this is really late and goes over the same old topics. Excuse me.

edited 19th Nov '14 9:44:37 PM by Pulse

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#64413: Nov 19th 2014 at 11:44:11 PM

Sma and Ken finally connect at long last...

So beautiful...

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#64414: Nov 19th 2014 at 11:53:03 PM

Turns out there's a midnight release at my local Gamestop tomorrow. I'm typically up at midnight anyway, so I think I'll go...I'll get the game even earlier.

Hope I'll remember to sleep though.

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#64415: Nov 20th 2014 at 12:19:25 AM

Funnily enough, when i got the Gamestop message that the game would be available at midnight, it said 'Your Game', while OR full name was stated.

But yeah. Just like before I'm passing on venturing out into the night. Daylight is best for me.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#64416: Nov 20th 2014 at 12:24:27 AM

Me too.

Might have been because it's a generic midnight release message...how lame. ;p

edited 20th Nov '14 12:24:35 AM by Keybreak

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LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#64417: Nov 20th 2014 at 2:15:45 AM

Game comes out at midnight where I live.

I can only express my excitement thusly:

waii

edited 22nd Nov '14 2:21:06 AM by LDragon2

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#64418: Nov 20th 2014 at 3:48:00 AM

Well I have to wait until Christmas. I'm definitely getting it though because I sacrificed any other present. It will literally be the only thing I get but I will still have everything I want.grin

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Dragon_Ranger Since: Jan, 2010
#64419: Nov 20th 2014 at 3:53:08 AM

IT IS DONE!

I finally got all the hats, and thus completed every challenge. Now I just need 2 trophies to complete that and all the high-end equipment, and I am good to go.

Hungryguy I am a Rad Reptile. from inside a cheese wheel Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
I am a Rad Reptile.
#64420: Nov 20th 2014 at 4:52:26 AM

How did you get most of your hats? I barely find any no matter what I do.

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Dragon_Ranger Since: Jan, 2010
#64421: Nov 20th 2014 at 5:09:24 AM

I got a lot of hats just by doing a combination of Classic runs and Trophy Rush. Once I was down to my final five hats though, I started playing Target Blast non-stop. the Home button trick works wonders for Classic, and all you have to do in Target Blast is press retry until you get a Custom part to spawn.

Shout-out to the Villager for making Target Blast really easy.

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#64422: Nov 20th 2014 at 5:13:13 AM

So I'm seeing the potential for a lot of cancelled pre-orders in the wake of that announcement.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#64423: Nov 20th 2014 at 5:14:35 AM

Well, not really. Despite the title of that article, all that was confirmed was that Nintendo's "don't develop DLC until after the main game is finished" policy is still at play.

I sure said that!
Hungryguy I am a Rad Reptile. from inside a cheese wheel Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
I am a Rad Reptile.
#64424: Nov 20th 2014 at 5:30:25 AM

How many hats are there?

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#64425: Nov 20th 2014 at 5:33:55 AM

There's 55, with most being brought in from StreetPass Mii Plaza.

I've been stuck at 47 for a painfully long time now.

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