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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#64376: Nov 19th 2014 at 6:01:21 PM

Just look how big Kraid used to be.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#64377: Nov 19th 2014 at 6:02:28 PM

He's not even twice as big as Samus in Super. Scale him down like Bowser and Ganondorf are and it would look fine. And as much as I'm not fond of the Other M version, that one scales perfectly fine. And in Pyrosphere he already spends half the time on the ground.

boobtuber Since: Apr, 2013
#64378: Nov 19th 2014 at 6:02:50 PM

It's gonna be September 11th all over again for Ridley fans, isn't it?

My honest condolences to them.

paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#64379: Nov 19th 2014 at 6:04:29 PM

[up] Dude, Not Funny! (just like that guy who said not getting Mewtwo was worse than 9/11)

edited 19th Nov '14 6:05:09 PM by paperbritt

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#64380: Nov 19th 2014 at 6:05:53 PM

[up][up][up] Well, he's also hunched over and folding his neck in, in that shot.

Which works fine in Super, since he mostly moves only his wings and tail during the battle. In Smash, he'd use his limbs more, even if just for moving about or grabbing people.

edited 19th Nov '14 6:06:49 PM by Enlong

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#64381: Nov 19th 2014 at 6:06:18 PM

Hey, September 11th is plenty of people's birthdays. It's not supposed to be Debbie Downer Day, that defeats the entire pupose of all the sacrifices of the rescuers that day, so everyone could live on.

edited 19th Nov '14 6:07:52 PM by CassidyTheDevil

paperbritt Since: Apr, 2013
#64382: Nov 19th 2014 at 6:08:33 PM

OK well the phrasing of it implies "not getting a character i wanted in a video game is just as bad as people dying in a horrible terrorist attack." He should atleast put the year at the end so we know which 9/11 he's actually talking about.

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#64383: Nov 19th 2014 at 6:10:04 PM

I rather think the point was that people are gonna massively overreact, actinig as if it were as bad as that.

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#64384: Nov 19th 2014 at 6:12:48 PM

Yeah, I'm personally not too fond of comparing September 11, 2014 to September 11, 2001. Pretty unfortunate that all those disconfirmations fell on 9/11.

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Eldrake Since: Oct, 2009
#64385: Nov 19th 2014 at 6:21:42 PM

Back during Brawl, Sakurai said that Villager couldn't work as a playable character. Now Villager is playable.

Also back during Brawl, Sakurai said that the speed was the issue hindering Ridley, and also claimed that he could make him work if he put in the effort in an interview after Brawl. He didn't mention the size.

So yeah, y'all gotta stop overreacting. For all we know, the surprise first party newcomer in the first trailer for Smash 5 could turn out to be Ridley. It wouldn't be the first time he changed his mind.

Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#64386: Nov 19th 2014 at 6:22:39 PM

@Ridley: -shrug- He gave his reasoning, which seems to be that he felt that making Ridley small enough to be a viable player character would diminish (what Sakurai considers) his primary characteristic of being an intimating monster that is constantly using his aerial maneuverability along with his size to his advantage. There're also the implications that down-scaling Ridley would make him look or act odd thanks to his somewhat odd proportions, as well as the idea that Sakurai couldn't think of a way to convey Ridley's characteristics without making him game-breaking to play as and fight against.

Sure, characters like Kirby and Olimar were up-scaled, but their size (which is largely trivial) doesn't have anything to do with their character as far as fighting goes.

I dunno... I'm honestly just "meh" on the whole thing. I'm just glad that Ridley is available as a stage boss, which is the next best thing short of being an Assist Trophy, even if some people feel that that isn't enough.

[up]Also that. Sakurai's had plenty of time to know how much Ridley was wanted as a playable fighter, so it's still very possible that he'll be able to pull it off (effectively) in a newer game in the series.

edited 19th Nov '14 6:24:45 PM by Customer

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#64387: Nov 19th 2014 at 6:22:50 PM

Also, in the intro for Melee. Look at Ridley's size there.

Does that look "not Ridley" to you?

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#64388: Nov 19th 2014 at 8:21:13 PM

You mean where he's a good one and a half times as tall as Samus when seen at a distance? No, he looks quite fittingly large.

Mind, I'm not completely against Ridley, but I can see why people feel like shrinking him wouldn't work. Unlike Bowser, for example, scaling him down isn't quite as clear since he's not really large, simply long and thin. His tail alone is longer than most characters are tall.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#64389: Nov 19th 2014 at 8:25:33 PM

I've pointed out a few times before that Ridley is about 1.5 times as big as Samus in Melee's entrance at least. And that even that size also required altering his design quite a bit (which Sakurai also noted he wouldn't be entirely willing to do, for similar reasons as to why he won't shrunk him) to make him look decent.

Sakurai brings up most of the points I figured were the reason Ridley hasn't been in the series thus far, especially in how his main motivation for not doing it is having the characters represent their home series both individually and in comparison to each other.

edited 19th Nov '14 8:32:00 PM by KnownUnknown

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#64390: Nov 19th 2014 at 8:31:00 PM

I understand what Sakurai is saying, though I still think he'd work as a playable character. Hopefully he'll change his mind if there's a SSB 5.

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#64391: Nov 19th 2014 at 8:37:30 PM

if there's a SSB 5.
Hah, if?

edited 19th Nov '14 8:37:44 PM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#64392: Nov 19th 2014 at 8:37:58 PM

The real reason Ridley isn't in is because Metroid is still comparatively niche and hasn't been active since the disaster known as Other M. While Nintendo hasn't dropped it, and I'm confident that we'll get a new game soonish, Metroid in general isn't in need of more promotion and attention right now. This is the man that made Charizard, Ice Climbers, R.O.B., Captain Falcon, and freaking Duck Hunt work out. He can make Ridley playable if he cares to.

I want Ridley because Metroid still deserves more representation, because I like him, and because contrary to what some people think, he is an important character to Nintendo in general. Main antagonist of one of their most critically acclaimed series, boss twice in Brawl, large focal point of Other M, boss in Nintendo Land, one of the reps of the villain take over in the e-shop, and extra special attention in his boss fight in Smash 4. Dixie and Toad are the only ones of his level that can match him from what I know.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#64393: Nov 19th 2014 at 8:45:53 PM

Other M was not a disaster. It was an underappreciated breath of fresh air to the typical Metroid formula of run-left-and-right-and-shoot-up-and-down.

And yes I'm totally serious.

Ridley isn't in because he's too biiiiig who else would be the boss in Pyrosphere, MB?

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#64394: Nov 19th 2014 at 8:48:20 PM

It was a breathe of fresh air that nonetheless alienated fans and had disappointing sales.

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#64395: Nov 19th 2014 at 8:48:28 PM

The real reason Ridley isn't in is

Known to Sakuai alone.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#64396: Nov 19th 2014 at 8:53:33 PM

@Cassidy Well what do sales know, all that matters is personal opinion. :p

For me, playable Ridley will always live on as purple Charizard.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#64397: Nov 19th 2014 at 8:55:13 PM

[up][up]Point taken. But if Metroid got a breakout success similar to Kid Icarus Uprising/Fire Emblem Awakening, we'd get someone for sure. And Ridley remains the obvious choice for that. Please ignore that Donkey Kong didn't get anyone even after the amazing success of Returns.

We're almost there. The Smash hype will be finished in less than 48 hours.

edited 19th Nov '14 8:55:20 PM by Sterok

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#64398: Nov 19th 2014 at 8:59:53 PM

As far as Nintendo is concerned Other M was a disaster. Hence the series being essentially on hiatus. We could argue 'till we're blue in the face about personal opinions, but it's meaningless in the face of Nintendo's own response.

[up]Less than 24 hours at this point, yeah? It's 12:01 AM, Thursday, here, at least, so it's 23:59 until the game is officially released.

edited 19th Nov '14 9:02:38 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#64399: Nov 19th 2014 at 9:03:33 PM

How could it be a disaster...they put a stage of it in Smash 4. And I bet they'd put trophies in it from the game too.

If it was a disaster then they wouldn't have made any mention of it anywhere. Like...the Zelda CD-i games.

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