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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#64351: Nov 19th 2014 at 1:05:11 PM

Yup, it's harder to do now. It's significantly easier to do if you turn tap jump on though.

That's going to be a non-issue for the Wii U version at least thanks to the c-stick.

Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#64352: Nov 19th 2014 at 1:08:16 PM

Yes that was changed. It's not completely gone though; from my experiences, you can still do it by actually smashing with the Circle Pad while dashing (which means you'll slow down a bit). You just can't tilt in the direction for an up-smash anymore.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#64353: Nov 19th 2014 at 1:12:36 PM

Guess I'll have to learn to use the stupid c-stick then so I have a chance to get any goddamn KOs in this stupid game. Why would they even do that. Bah.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#64354: Nov 19th 2014 at 1:15:48 PM

You people just aren't adaptable to change. I take everything Nintendo does and just roll with it.

I could probably play with just the game pad and forgo the adapter altogether. I've done fine with it on Hyrule Warriors, and that takes a lot of button presses.

edited 19th Nov '14 1:19:02 PM by Keybreak

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#64355: Nov 19th 2014 at 1:18:18 PM

I'm pretty adaptable myself. I was initially a bit angry with the Greninja nerfs, but I'm sorta ok with it now, some of the nerfs felt unnecessary but he's still good. Just takes time to get used to.

Tropesofknowledge The Man with the Golden Gun from Your local Cinnabon Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
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#64356: Nov 19th 2014 at 1:34:11 PM

An unofficial list of all the changes from the update.

edited 19th Nov '14 1:44:15 PM by Tropesofknowledge

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#64357: Nov 19th 2014 at 2:18:28 PM

Okay, this is really starting to bother me now. I'm not just imagining the changes to Palutena, am I? Okay, I don't know about Auto-Reticle because I never used it again after finding that it doesn't aim well and shot inconsistently, but her f-tilt definitely does more shield damage than a normal attack would, right?

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#64358: Nov 19th 2014 at 2:19:17 PM

I can't really confirm that since I never paid much attention to damage done to shields.

Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#64359: Nov 19th 2014 at 2:20:47 PM

We do at least know that her tilts have less recovery frames. For all we know, they might've gotten buffed slightly.

This is getting ridiculous. Nintendo please just release patch notes next time so we don't have so many placebo effects.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#64360: Nov 19th 2014 at 2:27:29 PM

can someone just... go online with me to test this? ._. just... both pick Palutena, one shields and the other attacks the shield to see how much it does? And we could take turns to speed things up.

I don't know why this is bothering me as much as it is, but it's bothering me as much as it is.

edited 19th Nov '14 2:28:07 PM by Fawriel

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#64361: Nov 19th 2014 at 2:29:21 PM

As it turns out, I will be able to get the Gamecube controller adapter for Christmas as well.

-Finger-Tenting- Excellent.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#64362: Nov 19th 2014 at 2:35:41 PM

Nevermind. I'll just do it with Pulse tomorrow.

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#64363: Nov 19th 2014 at 5:05:47 PM

Breaking news: Vectoring was nerfed to the point of being almost non-existant. This means K Os happen faster and as such matches also go faster.

edited 19th Nov '14 5:05:57 PM by FullMoon

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#64364: Nov 19th 2014 at 5:18:22 PM

That's the best news I've heard all day about this patch...now I might actually get kills much faster to the point where it can't be turned around on me because of weak smash attacks.

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Tropesofknowledge The Man with the Golden Gun from Your local Cinnabon Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
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#64365: Nov 19th 2014 at 5:20:45 PM

[up]x6 Nintendo released a patch note for the last update so I imagine that they'll release it for this one in due time.

edited 19th Nov '14 5:35:06 PM by Tropesofknowledge

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#64366: Nov 19th 2014 at 5:37:33 PM

So I've been way behind on collecting custom moves. I wanted to get em all before Smash Wii U was out so I wouldn't have to split my focus...

So I'm going to use all of tonight and tomorrow to get as many as I'm missing. ;p

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#64367: Nov 19th 2014 at 5:40:06 PM

He bought into it. Sakurai actually bought into the ridiculous mix of Double Standard and Insane Troll Logic that is "Ridley is too big." Yeah, he didn't say it like that, but the opinion is still pretty clear. I am in utter disbelief.

“Providing accurate portrayals of characters is something I want to pay ample attention to,” he continued.

...which is why Ganondorf is still Falcondorf. Face, meet palm.

I am not bashing Sakurai, he's a creative man who's given us a fantastic game packed with content, but this position is so hypocritical and so packed with Double Standard that I barely have any words for how utterly shocked I am. Looks like we'll have to depend on getting Ridley in Project M to show people who claim "too big" just how wrong they are.

Kirby doesn't have infinite jumps in a Smash like he does in Kirby games. Does that make him not Kirby? Link's and Samus's arsenals are stripped down to maintain a reasonable amount of moves for the characters. Does that make them inaccurate portrayals of said characters? Peach can actually fend for herself in this game as opposed to the helpless Damsel Scrappy she usually is. Does that make her not Peach? The Ness in Smash and the Ness in Earth Bound have completely different movepools, Smash Sonic can't break the sound barrier while Sonic series Sonic can... really, I can go on. The opinions expressed in this interview could not be more flimsy.

edited 19th Nov '14 5:46:46 PM by RavenKingSage

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CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#64368: Nov 19th 2014 at 5:43:27 PM

I believe Sakurai's logic is that Falcondorf is an accurate portrayal of Falcondorf, and fans would be disappointed if this unique character got changed.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#64369: Nov 19th 2014 at 5:45:29 PM

NES Ridley. NES Ridley. NES Ridley. Size issued solved. And Ganondorf was scaled down significantly from TP as well, so Super Ridley would fit just fine.

doctrainaum White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
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#64370: Nov 19th 2014 at 5:46:05 PM

Sakurai seems to be saying something that I've often felt: that Ridley's dimensions make him look extremely weird scaled down. But I could be interpreting it wrong.

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#64371: Nov 19th 2014 at 5:48:32 PM

Once again, I bring up Bowser. He may be a Sizeshifter, but his canon normal size is twice that of Mario's.

And, on a more notable scale, Kirby is supposed to be the size of a basketball compared to a human.

And on an even more notable scale, Olimar.

HE'S ONLY THE SIZE OF A QUARTER, FOR GOD'S SAKE

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#64372: Nov 19th 2014 at 5:52:33 PM

You can't fault him for for his dedication. If Sakurai gave up his ideal of accurate portrayals of characters, who knows what might happen to Smash?

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#64373: Nov 19th 2014 at 5:52:57 PM

[up][up][up] Not just the dimensions. That long tail. Fully scaling him down is a challenge. I'm glad he actually explained that it was far more than pure size, but even more than that.

I understand where he's coming from too. His imposing figure is relevant. Ganondorf still comes off as a severely badass murderous warrior with immense strength. He's portrayed well within his characterization. He didn't use a sword till after Melee in a real game, so he doesn't need one entirely.

edited 19th Nov '14 5:57:47 PM by Irene

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#64374: Nov 19th 2014 at 5:58:30 PM

I suppose it makes a sort of sense. Ridley generally has this looming intimidation feel to him that works well as a boss. There's a difference between him and, say, SA-X, in the type of intimidation on offer.

Well, except NES Ridley, but NES Ridley is both terrible and retcon'd out.

edited 19th Nov '14 5:59:59 PM by Enlong

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RavenKingSage MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
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#64375: Nov 19th 2014 at 6:00:58 PM

You can still make Ridley imposing by giving him an all-around vicious characterization as a fighter. Brutal attacks make him more threatening than just being huge. Being huge isn't even close to his defining characteristic anyway, it's being Samus Aran's eternal rival. If not for him, there would be no Samus Aran: Bounty Hunter. (In-universe anyway)

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