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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#64226: Nov 18th 2014 at 4:36:29 AM

Oh man the Greninja nerfs. Painful.
Beautiful, you mean!

Hm... R.O.B. doesn't seem especially changed. Damage output on his projectiles is slightly lower and the initial arc of the Gyro is shorter but covers the same distance thanks to a stronger bounce effect.

It might just be that I've gotten better at handling them, but Duck Hunt seems to have an easier time juggling projectiles now.

edited 18th Nov '14 4:37:23 AM by Pulse

I sure said that!
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#64227: Nov 18th 2014 at 4:38:21 AM

The nerf to Greninja's Up-Smash is going to take a long time to get used to. And I don't know if it's just me but using Up-Smash during a dash is a lot harder now with any characters.

On the plus side, Falco's blaster was buffed.

Hungryguy I am a Rad Reptile. from inside a cheese wheel Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#64228: Nov 18th 2014 at 5:11:54 AM

Does anyone notice a difference in Bowser?

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#64229: Nov 18th 2014 at 6:14:40 AM

Kirby, Bowser, Ike, King Dedede, Pac-Man, Palutena?

(i know, a lot to ask)

I won't be able to find out until this evening. Perhaps i'll just do multiplayer to see how it all works out. Especially since i feel kind of listless now that i've beaten 9.0 classic

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#64230: Nov 18th 2014 at 6:37:43 AM

So who's your most used character? Bicycle Helmet Knight? Big Footed Angel? Tail-On-Fire Dragon?
She recognized Greninja as having a tongue scarf but not as being a frog

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#64231: Nov 18th 2014 at 6:40:56 AM

[up][up][up]Bowsercide apparently now kills Bowser first.

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#64232: Nov 18th 2014 at 6:45:02 AM

That still doesn't stop the efficacy of Bowsercide if you're in stock and one-up from your last remaining opponent.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#64233: Nov 18th 2014 at 7:02:40 AM

That doesn't stop people from doing it when you're both at 2 stocks anyway.

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Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#64234: Nov 18th 2014 at 7:13:48 AM

... I don't remember about Brawl, actually. I know that in Melee the nair was one of my primary KO moves with Yoshi and Luigi, but I'm disappointed with them in 4. I mean, Yoshi is obviously good enough without it, but Luigi...

His dair sweetspot got easier to land though.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#64235: Nov 18th 2014 at 7:31:47 AM

> download patch and try out Yoshi to see if he feels weaker to me

> he feels stronger to me if anything

...

Either I'm just a terrible Yoshi player who has no idea what his character is capable of, or they didn't change anything about him.

Yeahhh I guess I should just wait for the well-researched lists that are inevitably gonna pop up.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#64236: Nov 18th 2014 at 7:34:43 AM

I don't think they've changed everyone significantly...

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#64237: Nov 18th 2014 at 7:48:57 AM

I dunno, Fullmoon seemed to really feel the changes to Greninja...

It just occurred to me that Yoshi might actually have had his weight reduced? I only paid attention to his moves. I think Ganondorf might have had his increased... I was playing against a level 9 Bowser Jr. set to total defense in Training Mode, and for one thing, his smashes sent Ganondorf nowhere terribly far even at way past 100%. For another thing, I actually managed to legitimately combo Jr. off the edge and could've gotten him from 0 to death if I hadn't whiffed my edgeguard... Again, against a level 9 CPU doing everything in its power to dodge. Didn't even need the side-b. Now I never used him much, but I think there might be subtle decreases to the ending lag on his attacks to let him string them together better...

... this is pure conjecture, why am I doing this

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#64238: Nov 18th 2014 at 8:04:31 AM

So, maybe it's just me, but it feels like they sped Zamus up.

Anyone else feel it?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#64239: Nov 18th 2014 at 8:06:31 AM

I said they didn't change "everyone" significantly...

Though, those de-buffs to Greninja might actually make it less annoying to fight him from online players.

Both the actually skilled players and the "spammers"

[up]If they did, I didn't notice.

edited 18th Nov '14 8:07:12 AM by randomness4

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#64240: Nov 18th 2014 at 8:30:20 AM

Greninja's Up Smash was nerfed so that now there's a cooldown period before Greninja can move again, making it impossible to combo it with an up-air. Hydro Pump also got nerfed and pushes the opponent a lot less. All the techniques with Shadow Sneak have been removed.

This is actually demotivating me from playing the game now.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#64241: Nov 18th 2014 at 8:39:18 AM

[up][up] Ah, yeah. But, you know, you'd think they would change something about Yoshi if he's considered so extremely good and they are visibly nerfing less good characters...?

[up][up][up] Now, I think we can trust them enough not to make an extremely good character even better.

Hmmm. ... I don't know if this is new or old or if it's actually something everyone has or if it's actually terrible, but. Playing with Palutena, I noticed that you can hit an enemy once with the first hit of her jab and, if you time it right, you can grab them immediately afterwards since the first hit sends them ever so slightly towards her. You have to really get the timing down or else the grab button will continue the jab combo. It still works at relatively high percent. Don't know how easily escapable it is... A CPU level 9 set to Run doesn't seem to be able to escape. And her down-throw chains easily into aerials...

... I wish I had someone to test these things with. But I actually think her f-tilt might have shield-breaker qualities? Testing against Bowser, I think two f-tilts would've broken his shield (he dodged the last potential hit). I also get the impression that her smashes, up-tilt and down-tilt might have more knockback behind them, but that's just how I feel after basically never playing her...

Here's one I'm pretty sure of now: Auto-Reticle is super-spammable. Before I think you could use it once and then you'd have to wait a while for it to recharge. It still doesn't fire sometimes... but you can pretty much spam it.

edited 18th Nov '14 8:52:56 AM by Fawriel

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#64242: Nov 18th 2014 at 8:44:42 AM

[up][up] I'm still getting different kicks with Shadow Sneak. I don't know if that's what you meant though.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#64243: Nov 18th 2014 at 8:49:01 AM

[up] That's not it, you can't cancel the ending lag from aerials with Shadow Sneak anymore, and the technique to make SS teleport i you down doesn't work anymore.

Also for some reason Greninja's up-air misses the last hit a lot.

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#64244: Nov 18th 2014 at 8:49:09 AM

Two of my two mains were nerfed. Bleh. Rosalina's was fine, but Bowser losing his stock first on a Bowsercide is just dumb. Makes absolutely no sense.

Have any buffs been found? I've only heard about nerfs thus far.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#64245: Nov 18th 2014 at 8:54:29 AM

I've been trying to find some Palutena buffs, you know. :< Granted my findings would hold a lot more weight if I was actually used to her in the first place... I'm pretty sure about the Auto-Reticle, which actually seems like a really good move now?

FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#64246: Nov 18th 2014 at 8:56:11 AM

As far as I know Ike has been buffed.

So far the one that got hit the hardest by nerfs is Greninja.

Hungryguy I am a Rad Reptile. from inside a cheese wheel Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#64247: Nov 18th 2014 at 8:56:54 AM

[up][up][up][up]well that sounds like a terrible nerf.

edited 18th Nov '14 8:57:14 AM by Hungryguy

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#64248: Nov 18th 2014 at 9:02:23 AM

Okay, actually playing against a Bowser who doesn't just dodge all the time, she's definitely got shield-breakers in her standard attack repertoire. He blocked a tilt, then tried to block my f-smash, and bam, shield broke. I'm pretty sure that's faster than shields usually break, isn't it?

Hungryguy I am a Rad Reptile. from inside a cheese wheel Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#64249: Nov 18th 2014 at 9:04:09 AM

Has wii fit trainer always had meteor smash abilities with her f-air?

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#64250: Nov 18th 2014 at 9:10:37 AM

She did, yeah.

Honestly this patch kinda drained away a lot of the fun I had. Nerfing Greninja's up-smash was fine but taking away a lot of the things that made Greninja fun to play with, Hydro Pump shenanigans and Shadow Sneak mindgames, just takes away a lot of my enjoyment.

edited 18th Nov '14 9:10:55 AM by FullMoon


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