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Yomegami Since: Jan, 2011
#62976: Oct 30th 2014 at 7:13:05 PM

With Mewtwo confirmed I'll be happy enough with Wolf and Lucas as DLC, though I'd also like to see King K. Rool. Ridley would be nice, but I don't think it's going to happen.

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#62977: Oct 30th 2014 at 7:16:22 PM

Come to think of it, Dedede's new final smash is little reminiscent of the Masked Dedede fight. Just...without a mask. He inhales, does a repeated spin strike, then flips open one end of the hammer to send out an explosive.

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DarthTaco from where the wild things are. Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#62978: Oct 30th 2014 at 7:16:23 PM

@Nap 1100, Yeah, but this is Nintendo we're talking about. Though, lets look at the Mario Kart 8 DLC. 7.99 USD for a pack of 3 characters, 4 vehicles and 8 tracks. 0.53 USD per item. Don't know how comparable that would be to a Smash character and stage, but there it is.

I'm not saying I think the leak is real, I am saying that it looks somewhat plausable though. But, with these 4chan leaks these always seem to be jerks who want to make a name for themselves. Which reminds me, how accurate was that stage list leak from awhile back, compared to the direct?

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#62979: Oct 30th 2014 at 7:20:35 PM

Not very comparable.

A Mario Kart character needs a model, voice pack, color scheme for the kart, and stat changes.

A Smash character needs a full moveset and whatnot. Mario Kart charcers are much easier because each "moveset" is the exact same.

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#62980: Oct 30th 2014 at 7:22:55 PM

Clones and returning characters would be the fastest to make, as long as they have good enough data from the previous game. From what I remember, Sakurai seems to build from the previous game's engine and characters a bit. Which explains the modified movesets, with only some being fairly unique from the previous game's.

Anyway, shouldn't this be in the Leak thread? I don't remember if we had found a way to debunk it at the Smashboards leaks group, but eh.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#62981: Oct 30th 2014 at 7:23:42 PM

If you took all of the "clones" out of Super Smash Bros 4, how many fighters would be left?

Gone would be Lucina, Dark Pit, Falco, Toon Link, Dr. Mario, Luigi (maybe) and Ganondorf (possibly)...

Apparently plenty.

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#62982: Oct 30th 2014 at 7:26:16 PM

[up]...why would Luigi be considered a clone? He's not really similar at all at this point.

Regardless, some of those characters might need to be spoilered...

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#62983: Oct 30th 2014 at 7:27:24 PM

[up][up]No one was really talking about clones...

[up][up][up][up]Makes sense. But how about a track to a stage? The "leak" says 3.49 USD for each set of a character and a stage, with it being free for owners of both versions. (Or at least that's how I read it.) So I dunno.

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#62984: Oct 30th 2014 at 7:28:20 PM

BAH SPOILERS. I don't even know what isn't official anymore.

And I say maybe because Luigi USED to be a whole lot similar to Mario in Smash 64, but then he got a whole lot more change to him.

Falco too.

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#62985: Oct 30th 2014 at 7:30:29 PM

I don't have many problems with clones because while they are pretty much a copy of another character initially, as they keep appearing they slowly start to become their own character. The best examples would probably be Luigi and Falco.

So if Dark Pit shows up in Smash 5, hopefully he will be more distinct from Pit

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#62986: Oct 30th 2014 at 7:31:55 PM

The Ice Climbers will not be New 3DS exclusive, I'll tell you that right now. Not having version exclusives definitely means not splitting the 3DS version in two.

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#62987: Oct 30th 2014 at 7:36:47 PM

[up]I agree. That would be a really weird move to pull, and with the fanbase as fragmented as it is...

Then again, Smash Bros is not the kind of game you want to be making definitive statements on, considering how unpredictable the developing team is... but yeah, I'm still sure we won't be getting any New 3DS exclusives.

They would also probably have to limit the amount of connection New 3DS players would be able to have with 3DS players, which opens up a whole new can of worms...

edited 30th Oct '14 7:37:35 PM by ConstipatedWaffle

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#62988: Oct 30th 2014 at 7:39:56 PM

That's not enough to say that Sakurai's actively against putting in Kirby characters from games he didn't direct. It's circumstantial.
There's an undeniable pattern, however. Let's use the stages from throughout the Smash series as an example:

  • Dreamland (64), based on Green Greens, seen in Dreamland 1 and Super Star,

  • Green Greens, much the same,

  • Fountain of Dreams, based on a key location only seen in Adventure,

  • Halberd, shown flying over Orange Ocean, an event specific to Super Star,

  • Dreamland (3DS), a direct take of several screens from Dreamland 1, and

  • The Great Cave Offensive, based directly on the labyrinth from the mode of the same name in Super Star.

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#62989: Oct 30th 2014 at 7:48:18 PM

Cool.

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TechPowah Just a simple hero from the room down the hall Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#62990: Oct 30th 2014 at 7:50:58 PM

Hmm, top 5 DLC wishes? Let's see:

  • Andy: Robin has strategy with a attack usage mechanic, but Andy can actually bring the "strategy" in strategy games with his moveset. Carefully plan out attacks for direct hits and win with brains over brawn.

  • Pichu: Well, he has kinda died down since Mewtwo unfortunately, but remodel his self damage into a damage juicer meter to add as much damage as you want to both you and your attacks and he'd be the greatest example of high-risk-high-reward characters in Smash Bros.

  • Eternal Darkness stage: Come on Nintendo, you already had M-rated series represented before, and at least one of them wasn't even yours! What's the hold up on a series you patented the gameplay mechanics for?

  • Music packs: I'm sure i'm not the only person here who wouldn't want even more music, even if it would have to be Smash Run-only on Smash 3D and Stage Builder-only on Smash U.

  • More special Smash modes: Especially if there was a way to separate all the special options <such as angled AND Zoomed, or Rocket Belt AND Metal.>

edited 30th Oct '14 7:56:03 PM by TechPowah

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#62991: Oct 30th 2014 at 8:05:52 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#62992: Oct 30th 2014 at 8:13:45 PM

[up][up][up][up] That's not a pattern. Smash having Kirby stages from X games =/= Sakurai is against having stages from X other games (and with that logic you could make a lot of simiarly arbitrary claims, like the idea that any X character isn't in Smash because Sakurai for some reason doesn't like them).

It's what I was getting at that by calling it circumstantial - the first part in on way implies the second. And it's also worth noting that each of the stages that have featured in Smash have also been iconic stages from the series (and everal of them were repeated).

edited 30th Oct '14 8:15:49 PM by KnownUnknown

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#62993: Oct 30th 2014 at 8:19:36 PM

A little circumstantial evidence is no good, but four games in and no stages besides those three has created a plethora of circumstantial evidence. He's been very picky about how stuff from Kirby's series is included.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#62994: Oct 30th 2014 at 8:21:24 PM

For third parties, right now I'm convinced Level 5 will happen before Square. Square may be bigger and have more famous characters, but despite the success of Bravely Default Square is still far more committed to Playstation and mobile, and that's not going to change. And Cloud would be one of the worst reps to choose, the icon of when the industry started to turn against Nintendo.

As for who Level 5 would bring, I don't know. Professor Layton is the obvious choice, but he really isn't all that big in the grand scheme of things. If Youkai Watch takes off in the west, I can see something coming from there.

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#62995: Oct 30th 2014 at 8:28:21 PM

To be fair, Adventure and Super Star were kind of Kirby's most major games until maybe Return to Dreamland (which got a Final Smash from it as soon as possible).

And hey, we don't know for sure whether there aren't any Kirby stages from that game in the Wii U version.

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#62996: Oct 30th 2014 at 8:31:37 PM

Come to think of it, Dedede's new final smash is little reminiscent of the Masked Dedede fight. Just...without a mask. He inhales, does a repeated spin strike, then flips open one end of the hammer to send out an explosive.

...Not seeing it.

[up][up]Didn't Professor Layton end? Because that alone puts him at a pretty uncomfortable position against Sakurai's other apparent SSB4 "rule".

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#62997: Oct 30th 2014 at 8:33:34 PM

Those were some of his moves in the Masked Dedede fight.

Granted, it was missles insead of a bomb, but the little hammer face flip-up thing was part of it.

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#62998: Oct 30th 2014 at 8:35:39 PM

Though I'd rather he'd have slapped on a mask and had the hammer do a Telescoping Robot thing to turn into the Dedede Hammer from Super Star Deluxe, y'know?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#62999: Oct 30th 2014 at 8:38:15 PM

A little circumstantial evidence is no good, but four games in and no stages besides those three has created a plethora of circumstantial evidence

It's not evidence of any kind, it's just a coincidence. Unless you have anything that actually says he's choosing those stages because he doesn't want to use other ones, then his choices for what stage in each game don't actually imply a distaste of other stages. Any assumption of intent there is just that: an assumption. There's nothing to actually support it.

Otherwise, you could use the same logic to claim that he dislikes every location in Donkey Kong Country but Jungle Japes, to the point of going to the Jungle Beat series in lieu of using a different one. Or that he didn't have any stages from the Gen II or III Pokemon games because he didn't think there was any location there worth using. Or hell, that he really does supposedly hate Ridley because he hasn't been playable yet. You could make up a theory like that for everything that isn't in Smash Bros, simply by assuming that the fact that they're not there is "evidence" that Sakurai dislikes them enough to keep them out.

Instead of the more logical choice that Sakurai chooses stages based on what he feels will be the most iconic, given that that's what this series has always been about.

edited 30th Oct '14 8:41:07 PM by KnownUnknown

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#63000: Oct 30th 2014 at 8:42:40 PM

Instead of the more logical choice that Sakurai chooses stages based on what he feels will be the most iconic, as per what a Mascot Fighter is actually about.
Is that why the Metroid stages only had anything to do with Metroid starting in Brawl, then?

I'm not trying to mock him s a game designer, but he makes a lot of odd, arbitrary decisions and I'm not gonna pretend I get why when I don't.

edited 30th Oct '14 8:44:10 PM by Pulse

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