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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#62901: Oct 30th 2014 at 12:32:17 PM

But then his dodging seems extremely good, too, and he barely leaves himself open and every attack comes out so fast... Eh. I dunno. Heh, I'm almost tempted to pick him up as a secondary main under the hypothesis that I wouldn't even get mad for losing with him. tongue

Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#62902: Oct 30th 2014 at 12:35:58 PM

Little Mac can't beat everything. He doesn't have very good anti-air moves from my experience. You can out-space his up tilt and up smash pretty easily. And since he's likely never going to play air-to-air because that would be suicide, you're on the advantage.

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#62903: Oct 30th 2014 at 12:40:40 PM

Little Mac's rolling seems to be better than most, yeah, but from my experience he does leave himself pretty open to attacks if he misses. In fact my main strategy against Little Mac is to bait an attack and proceed to grab him and throw him off-stage and attempt to make sure he won't come back. Greninja is pretty good at fighting him because spamming Water Shurikens will put pressure on Mac and make him try to force his way towards you, making him pretty easy to counter. Hydro Pump also screws him up very badly.

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#62904: Oct 30th 2014 at 12:51:26 PM

Mac is unorthodox and has an extremely fatal and glaringly obvious weakness, but just plain fun to use once you get past the urge to spam his dash attack.

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#62905: Oct 30th 2014 at 12:53:26 PM

So he's kind of like the opposite of Jigglypuff? Nice!

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#62906: Oct 30th 2014 at 12:53:44 PM

I don't care for using Mac. I like fighters that can hold their own in the air and are way more acrobatic.

But still, always good to have more even if you don't use it.

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#62907: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:11:43 PM

Potholing to Achilles' Heel earlier, the myth of Antaeus comes to mind regarding Mac.

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#62908: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:12:06 PM

Fox has at least two of Wolf's specials. He's got the leaping version of Illusion Wolf had, and the Firefox Drill functions identically to Wolf's jetpack kick (repeated hits followed by a launcher), while retaining Fox's animation.
I know, right? And he's also got a Blaster variant that has an impact like Falco's, so Falco is almost certainly cut.

Speaking of which, Falco's got a Blaster variant that has rapid-fire and no-flinch effects, so Fox is probably cut too.

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#62909: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:18:05 PM

"You are cut! You are cut! Everbody is cut!"

edited 30th Oct '14 1:18:14 PM by DevilPsyco

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Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
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#62910: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:24:00 PM

No specials, Sakurai only, Final Destination

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Tropesofknowledge The Man with the Golden Gun from Your local Cinnabon Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
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#62911: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:32:46 PM

The difference between a mediocre Little Mac player and a good one is knowing how to get the most out of him in the air.

When recovering back to the stage, you have to know whether to side b, up b, or counter (those mario capes mess you up otherwise) in a given situation and try to grab the ledge so as to not get landing lag. He can also WALL JUMP, though no one seems to know that, which makes his up-b reach a lot higher and with a lot of omega stages having long, flat sides, this works for him. All his aerials suck, but his neutral aerial be used right before landing in front of an opponent to combo right into his jabs.

-Sincerely, former Kirby player and aspiring Little Mac-er

edited 30th Oct '14 2:04:25 PM by Tropesofknowledge

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#62912: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:39:02 PM

RE:Mac: Yep. Mac's only good on the surface because he's a speedy character that hits with the power of Bowser or Ganondorf. If his air game wasn't so horrible, he'd be the obvious Meta Knight this iteration. And as Full Moon said, he has trouble approaching characters who have a good set of range options.

That said, his initial overuse by people trying to cheese wins with him have made him one of the easier characters to counter. And he's far from unstoppable in general. Just... be wary of Macs who know how to use the character (which frankly goes for any character really).

Personally, since I loved his games (although I've never played the Wii version of Punch Out, I watched an LP of it), he'll probably remain as part of my rotation of mains.

edited 30th Oct '14 1:47:17 PM by Customer

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#62913: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:39:04 PM

.......

You know, I actually had an extremely terrible day with all sorts of terrible depressive thoughts and all, and I actually think beating up Little Macs for several hours is why I feel comparably good right now.

I think I may have a problem.

PS: Now Jigglypuff, there's an all-or-nothing character I can get behind!

edited 30th Oct '14 1:42:22 PM by Fawriel

DevilPsyco from The Underworld (pretty deep down in the ground) Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
#62914: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:42:08 PM

Nah, I do the same too. Destroying my opponents put a smile on my face. smile

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#62915: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:42:25 PM

I hate fighting Level 9 A.I.s with characters with Counters because they're always frame-perfect when using those moves and it gets annoying very fast.

edited 30th Oct '14 1:42:47 PM by FullMoon

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#62916: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:42:45 PM

[up][up]Yes, but you are scary.

[up]Yeaaah, good thing the computer doesn't do that when you just set it to Run in Training. Otherwise I'd be throwing my 3DS.

edited 30th Oct '14 1:43:39 PM by Fawriel

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#62917: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:45:54 PM

Without faking out someone Little Mac is easy prey for almost every character.

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#62918: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:49:58 PM

@Full Moon: Which is why I hate facing Lucina, Marth, or Shulk in high intensity Classic/All-Star. Same with Reflect characters when I'm Mega Man.

EDIT: Actually, are there any differences with each different characters' Counters? Do they all do the same damage or are they all mechanically different in some way?

edited 30th Oct '14 1:50:57 PM by Customer

Tropesofknowledge The Man with the Golden Gun from Your local Cinnabon Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
The Man with the Golden Gun
#62919: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:52:51 PM

Shulk's counter has Bullet Time for whatever reason.

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#62920: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:53:22 PM

The only counter that is any different is Shulk's because his can actually be avoided...other than that they're all the same pretty much.

[up]Its because of that reason that it can be avoided.

edited 30th Oct '14 1:54:21 PM by randomness4

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#62921: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:55:02 PM

There might be differences in terms of whether the damage is proportional to the attack being countered and whatnot.

In other news, it's sad that my playstyle doesn't really let me play well with Palutena, Robin or Lucina, but apparently it works for both Bowser and Jigglypuff. I just think that's neat.

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#62922: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:55:05 PM

Greninja's counter is easily avoidable as well. In fact Substitute is probably his worst move and probably the worst counter in the whole game.

Also I think the Fire Emblem character's factor in the knockback of the move that was going to hit them, I don't think Little Mac or Palutena do that with theirs.

edited 30th Oct '14 1:55:43 PM by FullMoon

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#62923: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:56:22 PM

They all return a different percentage of damage.

[up] It does.

edited 30th Oct '14 1:56:58 PM by Zelenal

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Tropesofknowledge The Man with the Golden Gun from Your local Cinnabon Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
The Man with the Golden Gun
#62924: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:57:56 PM

I can tell you for a fact that Mac counters proportional to the damage of the countered attack because when i Countered a Warlock punch, Ganondorf died at 30%.

edited 30th Oct '14 2:04:00 PM by Tropesofknowledge

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#62925: Oct 30th 2014 at 1:58:22 PM

Mac is annoying for me to face. Haven't got a solid hang of getting around his hard hitting moves yet. Thankfully I'm also good at killing him quickly. His recovery is beyond terrible.

I like how no one questioned me when I said Roy was in.


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