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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#62201: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:26:27 PM

All-Star disables all the Wario Ware mini-games too. It's intentionally made a little easier. You have a single stock, after all. Classic doesn't need to do this. It's a huge improvement over Melee/Brawl's All-Star course system. I still dislike the "set character selection", but it's fun none the less. They also seemingly weakened the A.I. enough to make going after more than 5 enemies in a match hardly beyond difficult. Brawl unfortunately could really knock you around for a loop. This game rarely does that.

Wii U version could change their A.I. patterns/difficulty, though.

Shadow?
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#62202: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:26:29 PM

Uh, to dodge an Hammer you could just abuse the invicinbility from ledges, it's not like the guy with the hammer is going to try to jump out of the stage to get you.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#62203: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:28:11 PM

Because that don't doesn't break the flow of the match or anything.

... I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be the resident "Stop Having Fun" Guy. I just really don't understand the appeal of total random chaos and am evidently bad at phrasing my arguments in non-antagonistic ways.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#62204: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:28:21 PM

Surprisingly enough, often the best defense against a hammer is a good offense. The player using it is totally defenseless when they get hit, and because they can only use the same attack over and over again they're left open quite a bit.

edited 23rd Oct '14 8:29:59 PM by KnownUnknown

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#62205: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:29:26 PM

Just saw today's video. Chiming in to say that it all looks cool. I'm disappointed by Ridley not being playable, though. Maybe that was a step to having him in next game?

Also, Mewtwo! I hope you don't really have to buy two consoles and games to get him. Not that that would be too different from the Pokemon aesthetic, though...

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#62206: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:29:30 PM

Man, how about that Master Fortress? Getting an Impure King vibe off of it. Do you think that the Fortress will be the only form you fight if it shows? Or will it send you right to Master Giant right after?

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#62207: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:29:43 PM

That only works if the Hammer user is foolish enough to turn their back to you, though. You can't approach from melee range and the hammer will almost certainly cancel out any projectiles you try to use on them.

[up]I'm wondering if it's instead an alternate finale, with Master Fortress appearing instead of Master Core after beating Master Shadow- The video showed a lot of Swarm appearing from the bottom of the screen in a swirl around Master Core itself before it became Master Fortress, and Master Core looked to be relatively defenseless within the mass of Swarm.

edited 23rd Oct '14 8:32:19 PM by Pulse

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#62208: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:30:58 PM

[up] Speaking from experience, it's perfectly viable from the front as well as the back. In fact, most character have hammer attacks that backswing, so the back isn't any more safe than the front.

Most F-Smashes will take you into melee range (or have enough range) fast enough to have "priority" before the next swing. Or have enough range for that not to matter. Others have air attacks that work, or even specials or tilts. I reliably knock people out of hammer with Kirby's B-Air.

With Hammers, typically your worst enemy isn't the Hammer itself, but the fear of getting hit - which makes one sloppy. Much like a lot of things that seem OP in fighting games <*cough*Sentinel*cough*>, it's actually far from it.

edited 23rd Oct '14 8:35:10 PM by KnownUnknown

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#62209: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:31:19 PM

it's not like the guy with the hammer is going to try to jump out of the stage to get you.

It's also not like the Hammer jingle is only there for added charm.

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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#62210: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:32:37 PM

Characters with grapple grabs like Samus and Link can also easily deal with people with hammers. Projectiles help too, especially explosive ones, also Counters.

Smash Bros isn't really a game that should be taken too seriously, at least not if you're going to do things such as play with items on or choose stages like Wily Castle. It's entirely possible for both extremes to play the game in the way their want and it also gives the game more variety in regards to what you can do in it, which hardly hurts the game.

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#62211: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:32:47 PM

I don't see why you can't just disable items, or only play the Omega version of Pyrosphere.

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Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#62212: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:32:49 PM

Polling time. Who plays on Wily's Castle with semi-regularity? Who avoids Mega Man in Classic mode? That'll tell us who wants the really obtrusive hazards.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#62213: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:33:45 PM

Hmm. I suppose I inferred that it was a boss you only see on 9.0, like how Master Giant only shows up past 7.5.

[up] I'm liking how Yellow Devil seems to not hog the stage edges in the Wii U version.

edited 23rd Oct '14 8:34:21 PM by Enlong

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DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#62214: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:35:28 PM

I like Wily's Castle, but I usually play only on Omega mode, just because I find the Yellow Devil to be annoying and disruptive of the fight (also, he wasn't in Mega Man 2, and I refuse to acknowledge such ignorance of facts!)

As for Classic Mode, I go wherever the red path takes me.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#62215: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:37:04 PM

Smash Bros isn't really a game that should be taken too seriously, at least not if you're going to do things such as play with items on or choose stages like Wily Castle. It's entirely possible for both extremes to play the game in the way their want and it also gives the game more variety in regards to what you can do in it, which hardly hurts the game.
At the same time, the game would benefit from more stage hazards along the lines of Halberd's Combo Cannon. Casual players get more crazy chaos, hardcore players get more stages that don't negate their skill through complete randomization, and everyone wins instead of just one or the other.

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#62216: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:37:06 PM

By the way, was anyone surprised that Nintendo flat out said "1080p? Yeah we got that." Jumping right into the console resolution battle.

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#62217: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:39:22 PM

Man, edvedd, you keep disorienting me when I see something here you've posted elsewhere.

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#62218: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:41:20 PM

Sorry. Just felt like askin' around here. tongue

edited 23rd Oct '14 8:41:44 PM by edvedd

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#62219: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:41:27 PM

[up][up]It's dem eyes, is it?

edited 23rd Oct '14 8:41:35 PM by Elbruno

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#62220: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:42:21 PM

I've played on Wily's Castle quite often. I find the regular version pretty enjoyable myself. I tend to work the hazards now. I only spam FD in personal multiplayer for a very specific reason; Mew and its drops via Master Balls. It's not the most effective, but I rack up Coins fast enough too.

Shadow?
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#62222: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:44:15 PM

The Halberd isn't exactly chaotic, I mean, first of all it takes a while to even get to the Combo Cannon and it usually only gets to attack twice before the stage moves again.

I'm not particularly on "all the chaos!" group myself, hell, I might even join a tournament if I get the chance. I can see the appeal of both sides of Smash's gameplay and I throughly enjoy being able to play a serious match first, then another that's completely nuts.

I'm a very open minded and adaptive person, it seems.

Also, I play Wily's Castle pretty much whenever I feel like it just like any other stage, I don't avoid Megaman in Classic either because usually the Yellow Devil is more of a problem for him than for me tongue

edited 23rd Oct '14 8:44:58 PM by FullMoon

Sterok Since: Apr, 2012
#62223: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:44:46 PM

Looking back at the Direct, Ridley does look really playable, size aside. He's got what looks like a side smash, a lying pose, and a roll. Goes to show Sakurai does care about him. Just not enough apparently.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#62224: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:48:43 PM

@Sterok: "I care enough to put him in, I don't care enough to make him playable."

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#62225: Oct 23rd 2014 at 8:48:49 PM

He'll probably be DLC a few months after Mewtwo honestly.

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