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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#61351: Oct 16th 2014 at 12:40:38 PM

Okay, not to sound like a dick, but is this why the competitive scene is regarded as insufferable? I just want to play the game however I like.
I really wonder where this is coming from. What makes you say that you just want to play the game however you like? In how far is that relevant to anything that has been said?

The thing is, I also want to play the game how I like, but the game is teaching me that the way I want to play it just doesn't work most of the time and will only result in frustration. That is the problem at hand here.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#61352: Oct 16th 2014 at 1:04:35 PM

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like bad defensive moves are more punishable than in Brawl. I think a lot of zoners evidently being better comes down to Final Destination being kinda forced on us as the de facto competitive stage instead of something like Battlefield.

I sure said that!
Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#61353: Oct 16th 2014 at 1:15:04 PM

I think a lot of zoners evidently being better comes down to Final Destination being kinda forced on us as the de facto competitive stage instead of something like Battlefield.
That's probably exactly what the problem is, if not contributing to most of it.

Also, the current discussion and the first portion of your post that I didn't quote reminded of a Reddit link that I haven't read yet but have had the tab up for a while now.

EDIT:For the record, the topic in the link is just someone offering advice on the common complaint that the game values overly defensive play (it does to an extent, but not as much as people would have you believe), as well as being another person who dislikes the idea that we can call what kind of meta 4 will have this early.

edited 16th Oct '14 1:22:45 PM by Customer

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#61354: Oct 16th 2014 at 1:33:47 PM

I think the big problem is that many characters just have very few, if any, effective launcher moves.

The most reliable kill move I have as Pit is the Uppredash Arm, and that's only because it launches enemies straight up so I can kill at any percentage near the top of the stage.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#61355: Oct 16th 2014 at 1:37:34 PM

Personally I expect the meta to only get worse as things develop, but yeah. I'm just in a bad mood right now. I'd gladly agree with you, but. Yeah.

... One thing that made me happy in the tournament was that Ember managed to win (relatively handily) against Bill's DHD with Zelda. I was really cheering for him because he just... seemed like a really sweet guy? With that smile and that toon Zelda plush and all. So I'm glad he at least got to have that after the depressing defeat at the hands of Dabuz.

Dragon_Ranger Since: Jan, 2010
#61356: Oct 16th 2014 at 2:41:13 PM

So, I took on Master Core for the first time today. I made two attempts with Ganon, one accidentally no Customs and another with an Attack-oriented Ganon. Both times I lost one stock against the giant, and was finished off by the swords. I feel like using the Customs was definitely easier though. I might try going Defense the next time through.

Also, I'm suicidal because I'm simultaneously trying to clear the "Defeat Master Core" and the "Beat Classic at 9.0" challenges.

Why spoiler? The game is out.

edited 16th Oct '14 2:49:13 PM by Dragon_Ranger

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#61357: Oct 16th 2014 at 2:45:14 PM

[up]Dude, spoiler like, everything in that post.

But yeah, the Swords are most certainly the most dangerous form.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#61358: Oct 16th 2014 at 2:46:34 PM

Ganondorf doesn't need to be spoiled. Just saying.

But yeah, Master Core is still a spoiler.

I haven't fought him yet, though. I might some time.

Shadow?
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#61359: Oct 16th 2014 at 2:49:08 PM

Another thing that just occurred to me while watching that tournament... I have another reason to be angry at Rosalina. Sans Luma, she plays remarkably similar to what I'd have wanted Gardevoir to play like...

Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#61360: Oct 16th 2014 at 3:05:56 PM

you know in pretty much every thread ever about a game that isnt specifically dedicated to spoilers, spoiler policy remains in place for at least a month after the game comes out. even after that month, people tend to go out of their way to spoiler tag anything they think is a spoiler if they're talking to people who might not have played the game yet.

you are in a thread which is one of two- the other being a spoiler and leak specific thread.

one of the versions is not out yet.

the other version hasnt even been out a month yet.

and not everyone has got the game yet.

thats why you have to spoilertag this stuff.

course, smash 4 has a set of more complicated spoiler rules than usual, on account of things being deemed "safe" at random intervals and people tend to forget every few minutes which one that was at any given time. but you can just as easily avoid the complication by just talking about this stuff in the spoiler thread.

edited 16th Oct '14 3:06:37 PM by Tarsen

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#61361: Oct 16th 2014 at 7:41:52 PM

I frankly feel the policy is silly

Sephiroth killed Dumbledore

But i have isolated my new mains, none of whom are spoilers: Kirby, Bowser, King Dedede, Pac Man, and Ike.

I do like the heavy-hitters, yes.

MightyKombat I am he as you are he as you are me and we are a from in mai mouffff (Ten years in the joint)
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are a
#61362: Oct 16th 2014 at 7:44:42 PM

Kratos Aurion is really Super Macho Man's father and Mario is Emir Parkreiner

But anyway yeah go tall of Lucina and Mac's custom moves. LOVE them two. Plus holy shit Bowser got better in this game he is pretty speedy now.

Are explosions science?
ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#61363: Oct 16th 2014 at 7:51:15 PM

So, you know which two characters I didn't expect to be anything close to good with?

Sheik and Zero Suit Samus.

Speedy Flippy Ladies just seem to be the order of the day for this go around for me.

MightyKombat I am he as you are he as you are me and we are a from in mai mouffff (Ten years in the joint)
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are a
#61364: Oct 16th 2014 at 7:52:59 PM

I need to train a bit more with Zamus but DAMN she feels great.

Gonna try the Koopalings more as wlel.

Are explosions science?
BloatedCreeper The One and Many from Area N Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
The One and Many
#61365: Oct 16th 2014 at 8:16:14 PM

My mains are not final, but so far I have good 'ol Link, Pac-Man, Ness, DHD, Game and Watch, and Falco.

I'm the guy who knows how to make games but doesn't. 3DS FC: 2878-9776-7579
Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
#61366: Oct 16th 2014 at 9:05:19 PM

Mighty hitting up all the scrubby characters :P

So is paulatena still the worst or not?

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#61367: Oct 16th 2014 at 9:14:10 PM

Still reportedly tied with Ganon, yes.

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#61368: Oct 16th 2014 at 10:38:44 PM

Mains, you say? Well, obviously Mario (especially because of his buffs) and Wario (despite removing the only reference to Wario Land) still are mine. Very fond of Little Mac (mostly because of my love for his home series, and him being an absolute killer in this game). Captain Falcon's probably #4 due to my F Zero fandom and his being buffed from Brawl.

I really like Duck Hunt more than I thought I would. So adorable and fun to play as. Might be maining them.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#61370: Oct 17th 2014 at 1:57:06 AM

I've been listening to Kapp'n's Song again, and I really hope there's some more K.K. Slider songs like it and Brawl's Go K.K. Rider! in the Wii U game. There's something really neat about elaborate instrumental compositions accompanied by the Animalese vocals.

edited 17th Oct '14 1:57:23 AM by Pulse

I sure said that!
Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#61371: Oct 17th 2014 at 2:06:32 AM

Couple of things I just noticed while playing Smash Run. The first is if you jump on one of the Tiki enemies from Donkey Kong Country Returns, it'll produce the same sound effect from their home game. Since I never really jump on them (they're airborne, so I just knock 'em out of the air), I thought it was neat.

The second is if you reflect a Starman's PK Beam back at it (as a Tip tells you to, although I hadn't gotten that tip until after I did this), not only will it go down in one hit, but the "SMAAAAASH!" text from Earthbound pops up behind it while it recoils. There's an accompanying sound effect for that too, but I haven't been able to hear it since I'm usually fighting off other enemies when this happens.

[up]Here's hoping. I remember when I played Brawl and thought those songs sounded so weird, but that I've played New Leaf, they've become some of my favorite songs in that game.

edited 17th Oct '14 2:08:58 AM by Customer

MetaflarePrime Urara-lala~! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
Urara-lala~!
#61372: Oct 17th 2014 at 3:22:15 AM

why the fuck is the trophy posing not in the 3ds version???

it really is the watered down version

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#61373: Oct 17th 2014 at 3:31:35 AM

A bunch of older features aren't in the 3DS version, apparently.

Dem artificial sales incentives

edited 17th Oct '14 3:46:44 AM by Demonfly

"Tell them to shut up and have some faith in me." - dead flashback guy
Vgm3 This is the Monado's power! from Miami, Florida Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#61375: Oct 17th 2014 at 6:09:37 AM

New board game mode, you say?

:-D


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