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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#61151: Oct 13th 2014 at 8:07:08 PM

Ganondorf was name-dropped as playable already. Ness was shown in direct gameplay on the Pic of the Day. They are pretty much not spoilers anymore.

...Unless the fact they're "hidden" counts as a spoiler regardless? Yes, I do realize the irony of spoilering this. Maybe this is one to ask a Mod on how we should go about this? Cause I gotta admit, it's a loophole in a way. Lucina is blatantly well known and not hidden on the site as well. Some are hidden on the site, but also shown in the Pic of the Day.

IMO, if they're shown in the Pic of the Day, they're no longer a spoiler. I do not know if it counts properly for the spoiler policy or if people here consider it good enough.

Shadow?
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#61152: Oct 13th 2014 at 8:23:02 PM

Game and Watch i assumed was out because he was in Pac-Man's trailer, no?

I'm pleasantly surprised by Lucina.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#61153: Oct 13th 2014 at 8:39:08 PM

He wasn't put on the actual site and still isn't, so he's not officially revealed in any way. That's pretty much what we have to wait for.

Since all hidden characters are behind a spoiler wall, we should wait till they show up in the Pic of the Day in a gameplay-related situation or are directly namedropped and blatantly implied to be playable like Ganondorf definitely was. Ness was shown off in another one during the Magicant reveal. Name-dropping him would've been nice, but most know who he is except far newer players, so it's not the most severe of spoilers.

Shadow?
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#61155: Oct 14th 2014 at 12:23:18 AM

I think several are, if not exclusive to the store, certainly more likely to show up there than anywhere else. I wouldn't be surprised if Classic, All-Star and Smash Run all had different drop rates for each trophy, too.

I sure said that!
Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#61156: Oct 14th 2014 at 2:55:30 AM

For the record, the only secret characters that don't need to be spoiler tagged are Ness and Ganondorf. Being on the main site isn't enough to not spoiler tag the others, since they're behind a Caution Wall. Sakurai will be steadily revealing the characters over time through Miiverse, so eventually this won't need to be done anymore.

It's also part of the reason why I was trying to redirect people posting about their 3DS exploits to the other thread before release, mostly to avoid accidental non-tagging here, but that's already occurred several times in this thread. :/

Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#61157: Oct 14th 2014 at 5:13:25 AM

Found this link on Reddit. Supposedly, aside from using Falcon as the base model to swap with, Sakurai also seems to have based Ganondorf somewhat on his father, who (I assume) had passed away around the time Melee was being made (or during the development of Brawl, since that's the game where Ganondorf had more unique animations while still functioning off of Falcon's moveset and base model).

The original post is from 4chan, so take it with a grain of salt.wild mass guess

EDIT: Didn't mean to doublepost. Anyways, I forgot to mention that the 4chan post cites an upcoming Famitsu article as the source, so we'll find out if it's true soon. I personally believe it to be false.

edited 14th Oct '14 5:18:05 AM by Customer

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#61158: Oct 14th 2014 at 5:28:32 AM

At first I thought "aww", but then I realized; "wait. If this is true, he looked at Ganondorf and thought, 'yeah, that's my dad'".

edited 14th Oct '14 5:29:23 AM by BaffleBlend

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#61159: Oct 14th 2014 at 5:29:45 AM

Ganondorf does seem better in this game at least plus he finally gets to use his fucking sword. Coulda been worse, he could have ended up like 2.0 Terumi

edited 14th Oct '14 5:29:56 AM by MightyKombat

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Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#61160: Oct 14th 2014 at 6:22:58 AM

Speaking of Ganondorf, short video showing how Smash A.I. is best A.I.:

Insert witty 'n clever quip here.
Folt Warlock Necromancer from Hollow Bastion! >=D Since: Jun, 2010
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#61161: Oct 14th 2014 at 8:14:32 AM

also with Smash Run, I do like how the Melee menu remix that plays on the Run! challenge is essentially a remade version of the music used for Race to the Finish back in the day.

That remix is also the bonus music for Final Destination.

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#61162: Oct 14th 2014 at 8:21:59 AM

I don't remember if it was this thread or the Spoiler thread, but one of them had someone suggest a newest-to-oldest order for All Star Wii U with G&W being the boss. I just wanted to set the record straight that it would actually be Pac-Man as the boss if they go by hard numbers on the character debut formula.

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#61163: Oct 14th 2014 at 8:48:43 AM

So that's how the Villagers got into Smash 4

"Sakurai, I am your FATHER"

edited 14th Oct '14 8:50:52 AM by AceOfScarabs

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#61164: Oct 14th 2014 at 9:23:08 AM

Huh, I could believe that. Ganondorf does come across like an old man to a lot of people in these games.

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#61165: Oct 14th 2014 at 9:35:49 AM

[up][up][up] No, Mr. Game & Watch is a few months older.

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Dragon_Ranger Since: Jan, 2010
#61166: Oct 14th 2014 at 12:27:00 PM

God, the "Clear X with all characters" challenges are so time-consuming. I just finished beating Classic with everyone and I still have to do All-Star, 10-Man and 100-Man. The only mitigatin factor is that I can clear the challenges at lower difficulties.

DevilPsyco from The Underworld (pretty deep down in the ground) Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
#61167: Oct 14th 2014 at 12:51:40 PM

100 Man Smash is a pain to get through. Olimar just gets KO'd every time! Even SPOILER fares better.

edited 14th Oct '14 1:10:55 PM by DevilPsyco

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#61168: Oct 14th 2014 at 12:55:57 PM

[up] Spoilers, man. Jigglypuff is not a starter.

Anyway, I found Classic/100-Man/All-Star somewhat easier this time.

Shadow?
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#61169: Oct 14th 2014 at 1:07:15 PM

Why do we need to spoil-mark unlockable characters?

Also what is your ranking of the Smash series be right now?

Mine would be:

1. Brawl (first one I played)

2. 64

3. 3DS

4. Melee

edited 14th Oct '14 1:15:06 PM by powerpuffbats

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Yomegami Since: Jan, 2011
#61170: Oct 14th 2014 at 1:07:50 PM

[up][up][up]Have you tried using Donkey Kong? Spamming Down-B seems to be just as effective in this game as it was in the past (although this was in Endless Smash I tested it in, not 100-Man. May or may not be different).

edited 14th Oct '14 1:08:05 PM by Yomegami

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DevilPsyco from The Underworld (pretty deep down in the ground) Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
#61171: Oct 14th 2014 at 1:11:45 PM

I have already beaten it with DK, but for one of the final challenges I need to beat 100 Man Smash with all characters! Curse my completionist needs!

Also...

[up][up][up] Sorry.

edited 14th Oct '14 1:12:22 PM by DevilPsyco

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#61172: Oct 14th 2014 at 1:15:47 PM

It's fine. Just letting you know. I should've said what I did a bit better too.

As for my order?

I'm unsure with Smash 3DS. I can't tell if it's between Melee and Brawl or between 64 and Melee. 64 > Melee > Brawl is my current opinion. I mean, they're all really freakin' fun to play regardless, but eh.

edited 14th Oct '14 1:16:56 PM by Irene

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#61173: Oct 14th 2014 at 1:29:55 PM

4 >>> ???? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brawl

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#61174: Oct 14th 2014 at 1:32:47 PM

I'm counting fan projects as well.

1&2&3. 3DS = Super Smash Flash 2 = Project M; The current three games, all with the right speed and careful, loving attention to complete balance.

4.Melee ; There's a reason it's still around.

5. 64 ; This is pretty much the neutral one.

6 & 7. Brawl ; I think they screwed up big-time here. But that's just me. = Brawl Minus ; The novelty wears off very fast in my opinion.

8. Super Smash Bros. Crusade ; It's getting there, but it's still extremely sloppy right now.

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Yomegami Since: Jan, 2011
#61175: Oct 14th 2014 at 1:54:12 PM

4 > Everything prior. Never played Melee and never had extensive time with 64, and most of the issues I had with Brawl are fixed in 4.

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