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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#61026: Oct 12th 2014 at 7:15:25 PM

But again, KI:U has not been the only 3DS game represented that came out before Smash.

I mean, I totally believe that's part of it, but if he could import from KI:U he can import something like the Lizalfos from OoT3D, too, or more Pokemon from XY.

I sure said that!
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#61027: Oct 12th 2014 at 7:26:22 PM

I guess it depends on how compatible the models and, like, graphics engines are. I can imagine Sakurai making Smash for 3DS with graphical resources he already had on hand from making Uprising.

But now I'm off in the seas of speculation.

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#61028: Oct 12th 2014 at 7:27:46 PM

Bowser has got it goin' on, finally after three games.

Looks like good posture finally pays off.

[up] I had thought that was stated outright somewhere?

[up][up] Have to remember it's also a matter of scale. KIU's open-arena type gameplay means that enemies will be designed to have lots of them in an area at once, like in Smash Run itself. This is opposed to Zelda which has small rooms in the main, or Pokemon X/Y where you'd get significant slowdown when you encountered a Horde of wild Pokemon (meaning they REALLY weren't designed to have a lot onscreen at once, with those models).

edited 12th Oct '14 7:30:20 PM by Ogodei

CapedLuigisYoshi Some Gal from right here, duh Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Some Gal
#61029: Oct 12th 2014 at 7:28:29 PM

I don't think it's entirely about the models themselves. Stuff like movements and hitboxes are probably also a factor.

a.k.a. Cly, that one girl who doesn't post here much anymore Something something YI = SMW 2 = SMB 5.
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#61030: Oct 12th 2014 at 7:29:45 PM

Of course, they had to be constrained into 2D movement.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#61031: Oct 12th 2014 at 7:51:47 PM

Filling out custom moves...

I love it. One by one, I'm optimizing everyone. Playing Smash Run with any character tends to get them the most custom moves from the run, so I'm playing my favorites over and over.

Already got all of Mario's, Fox's, Bowser's and Samus'. I am gonna be so ready for Wii U. ;p

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#61034: Oct 12th 2014 at 10:40:35 PM

[up][up]Too small to read and clicking it doesn't magnify it.

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AceOfScarabs I am now a shiny stone~ from Singapore Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
I am now a shiny stone~
#61036: Oct 12th 2014 at 10:53:54 PM

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#61037: Oct 12th 2014 at 11:00:17 PM

There are no words.

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#61038: Oct 12th 2014 at 11:01:15 PM

wait no

ahem

dat bass

Demonfly birdie fairy Since: Jul, 2012
birdie fairy
#61039: Oct 12th 2014 at 11:15:38 PM

[up][up]Looks like the tree doesn't fall far from the Villager.

Zero's kind of an obvious pick, but still, at least this gives just a bit more leeway for better Megaman trophy representation.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#61040: Oct 13th 2014 at 12:34:52 AM

I never listened to those arguments, because they sounded similar to when people said that Sakurai obviously made Meta Knight overpowered on purpose. It was so absurd that I rejected that line of thinking right away. Then again, these arguments about Kid Icarus favoritism might have a bit more merit.
He didn't rub his hands together and giggle malevolently as he plotted to make Metaknight the most overpowered character of the series. But when you're basically the only person in charge of balance, human bias will emerge and you'll think "okay, so Metaknight is a fast character who can rack up damage, but has trouble getting KOs, but... you know, you don't want to be completely unable to, so, like, on this move, and that move..." and "okay, so Snake has all these gimmicky moves, but his other moves should be, like, really good to compensate. Hmm, no, better than that. ... Yeah, could still be bitter. Amp up those hitboxes a tad more." Meanwhile, you look at Samus and say "so she has her charge beam for getting a kill." ... and then you mark the character as done and nerf her neutral aerial to be impossible to KO with.

Shortly put, every character in Melee and Brawl shows very obviously that they were designed either normally, or with the wish to make them not bad, or with the wish to make them not overly good. ("Mewtwo is so powerful, we have to be careful not to overdo it!") It doesn't have to be a conscious wish, but even I would be biased to make sure certain characters are particularly viable while neglecting others even though I'm so uptight about unbiased balancing. It's just a human thing and a consequence of being the only one in charge more than a consequence of being an evil jerk.

So, is it just me or do some characters just not have anything in the way of decent launchers?
For the character you mentioned, I think the only good finishers they have are the forward smash, which is at least faster than most, or the back-aerial. Careful about where you're facing, since you can accidentally turn around with each hop. Other than that, make use of your recovery to try for some daring edgeguarding.

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#61041: Oct 13th 2014 at 12:52:40 AM

Darth Taco's link. Is most likely going to be a wall of text, even with quotes shortening everything.

I don't think people really understand how fucked up the lore Brawl gave R.O.B is. The following things are seriously canon:

-there's an entire race of R.O.Bs

-The playable R.O.B is the "Master Robot"/leader of said R.O.Bs

-Master Robot (lets call him MR) actually the "lord of the world" pre-events of SSE.

-Had his race somehow taken hostage by Tabuu and forced their island into a bomb making facility

-MR disguises himself as the ancient minister "in his own shame"

-Subspace bombs require two R.O.Bs to kill themselves. MR also has to be the one to drop the bomb, so he has to personally drop the bomb and watch two of his people turn into suicide bombers.

-remember that one cutscene in SSE where MR drops the bomb outside the bowser castle and when he's flying away, there's one of the R.O.Bs waving at him. damn.

-Infact, MR is characterized constantly as being absolutely miserable about killing the R.O.Bs.

-Ganondorf forces R.O.Bs via robot mind control to have ALL of them but MR kill themselves via setting off bombs

-The R.O.Bs are supposedly no longer mind controlled after they hook themselves to the bombs, MR tries to communicate with them but it's a "we're sorry, it's too late" kind of thing.

-MR seriously was about to just sit there and kill himself with the rest of the R.O.Bs if DK didn't seriously drag him away what the fuok

-his race and island is destroyed

-from this point on, from R.O.B's POV, this is a revenge story.

-SSE ends with the fact that so many bombs went off on the island that even killing tabuu and reverting the bombs doesn't revert the destruction of the R.O.B race and their island.

-R.O.B, a NES and famicon peripheral, is a tragic villain in circumstances for a majority of the game and ends as the last survivor of his race who goes on a revenge quest for being manipulated and blackmailed into assisting the genocide of his race.

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Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#61042: Oct 13th 2014 at 1:07:17 AM

Maybe it's because I've gotten used to the 3DS models, but hot damn is that Bass and Treble trophy beautiful. I want one in real life now...

And yeah, the Smash "backstory" for R.O.B. is all kinds of fucked up. You'd think the peripheral that had a hand in saving the video game crash would have been treated better.

edited 13th Oct '14 1:08:49 AM by Customer

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#61043: Oct 13th 2014 at 1:42:23 AM

So this is the greatest thing ever.

Dammit. Somebody's already posted it.

edited 13th Oct '14 1:43:04 AM by Zelenal

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#61044: Oct 13th 2014 at 1:49:03 AM

[up][up]At least we got a decent Original Generation character out of it?

But seriously, I'm kinda shocked more people haven't picked up on how terrible R.O.B.'s lot has been.

I sure said that!
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#61045: Oct 13th 2014 at 2:02:30 AM

Is it bad that my first thought upon seeing Zero's trophy was "Dammit, Capcom"?

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BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
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#61046: Oct 13th 2014 at 3:36:01 AM

Yeah, his being so important to the story in SSE is why I was confused about so many people wanting him cut in this one.

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Nouct over the front from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
over the front
#61048: Oct 13th 2014 at 4:26:31 AM

That's why Lucas and Wolf were removed. It was all part of their sinister conspiracy! tongue

edited 13th Oct '14 5:38:22 AM by Nouct

Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
Editor of Posts
#61049: Oct 13th 2014 at 4:39:58 AM

I've heard that Ganondorf is supposedly Skaurai's main. Is this true?

WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#61050: Oct 13th 2014 at 5:04:01 AM

No, it's evidently Dark Pit.

Anyway, things like R.O.B.'s story is why I loved the SSE and will miss it in this installment. An epic storyline featuring all sorts of Nintendo characters being badass and kicking ass? Entirely through pantomime? Yes, please.

edited 13th Oct '14 5:06:07 AM by WackyPancake

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