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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#60851: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:24:51 PM

[up] It's full of things like that.

In theory, it may be an attempt to make Brawl more competitively viable, but in practice it really does feel like an attempt to turn Brawl into Melee. At least in my opinion.

Also...

Demos 2.0 and 2.1 had the announcer's "Failure" sound effect whenever a character is selected with a Wii Remote. It was removed because the PMBR felt the game reached a level of professionalism that made the easter egg undesirable.

Cripes.

edited 11th Oct '14 12:27:13 PM by WackyPancake

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#60852: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:27:46 PM

Christ they have a two foot stick up their arse about Brawl. I get they didn't like Brawl but it is getting stupid. I mean if you're gonna let Ganondorf keep his Flame Choke, why turn Falco BACK into a clone? Even Capcom made the original Ryu and Ken play more differently! Poor Falco.

I'd have flat out changed Falco's moves entirely, make him more like Mv C 3 Dante without swords.

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#60853: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:30:15 PM

[up]Falco had very different move properties from Fox despite looking the same, and his playstyle was completely altered in Brawl, alienating people who were used to him. I don't like it either, but I at least understand it.

What I have a problem with is how they handled Lucario; they gave him random out-of-place Street Fighter moves for no reason.

[up][up]Did you not read that they removed it?

edited 11th Oct '14 12:31:33 PM by BaffleBlend

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#60854: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:31:11 PM

I'd much rather not have Falco be akin to Dark Pit.

also, that they did it in the first place is bad enough.

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#60855: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:33:57 PM

[up] Pittoo doesn't even have different attack properties. Falco actually had a different playstyle from his source. I don't like the aesthetics either, but they're not comparable.

And it's an Old Shame, I'm pretty sure.

edited 11th Oct '14 12:40:41 PM by BaffleBlend

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#60856: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:36:10 PM

I'm just glad Falco wasn't botched like that.

I liked how Brawl went for differentiation amongst clones even if it meant Ganondorf was total shit.

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#60857: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:37:16 PM

*cough*

A charcter you've mentione is still kinda spoiler territory.

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#60858: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:38:42 PM

Fact: Canon Ganondorf is one of the top potential candidates for next character to add, giving his existing moveset to Black Shadow so the actually many people who like his playstyle don't feel left out.

[up]...whoops. *goes to edit posts*

edited 11th Oct '14 12:39:24 PM by BaffleBlend

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#60859: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:38:44 PM

Except it was in Brawl's ontext. And he was mentioned in the post of the day so...

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#60861: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:40:04 PM

He's not talking about Ganon, he's talking about Pittoo.

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#60862: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:40:24 PM

I'm just waiting for the day Project M uses the clone engine to make a legitimately new character rather than just porting Melee characters over. Roy and Mewtwo are fun and all but I'd like to see some "new" faces for lack of a better word.

If Lyn ends up being one then I will main her, no questions asked.

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#60863: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:40:43 PM

Dark Pit was not. Which still needs to be spoilered.

That, and could we be a tiny bit more constructive about this? It's getting a little too heated right now.

Shadow?
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#60864: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:41:11 PM

[up][up]Well, they are holding votes. Lyn is one of the candidates.

edited 11th Oct '14 12:41:29 PM by BaffleBlend

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#60865: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:42:26 PM

Would Nightmare from Kirby be viable or Rundas from Metroid Prime 3?

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#60866: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:42:56 PM

I'd love it if a mod or future Smash used Ganon as inspired by Hyrule Warriors. It wouldn't even be much of a switch, as Mulletdorf does very "rargh I punch you!" stuff, like the combo where he makes a giant energy ball and punches it into fragments. Or the Ganon Shadow Swipe.

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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#60867: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:43:18 PM

No, evidently what we need is Ridley. It's always Ridley.

edited 11th Oct '14 12:43:33 PM by WackyPancake

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#60868: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:43:41 PM

[up][up][up]You're free to nominate anyone. The current ones listed as candidates are just the most likely.

I've seen people vote for the Condor when someone mentioned offhand as a joke that the Ice Climbers need to be avenged.

[up]Also in the running, and the one with the most votes right now.

edited 11th Oct '14 12:45:17 PM by BaffleBlend

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#60869: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:47:07 PM

Where are the votes being tallied? If it's open to everyone I want to vote.

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#60870: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:48:20 PM

What I have a problem with is how they handled Lucario; they gave him random out-of-place Street Fighter moves for no reason.
...What? Why? I mean, I get that it's a Fighting type, but why chose to have Lucario emulate Street Fighter? Is it because they thought that him and Mewtwo in the same game would be too "samey"? Does this mean he doesn't have his Aura-mechanic anymore?

...I have mixed feelings upon hearing this.

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#60871: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:50:37 PM

the logic is probably because his Aura Sphere is already like the Hadouken...eh. Or maybe "less Brawl is more good" or whatever.

I totally want Rundas in the next one, he was rad.

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#60872: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:51:37 PM

[up][up]Yeah, his aura mechanic is gone, but I think that was cut for the reason that it doesn't work with how the mechanics make it really hard to survive at high percents more than anything. I think the magic series came as a byproduct of trying to find a gimmick to replace it.

edited 11th Oct '14 12:52:00 PM by Nap1100

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#60873: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:52:52 PM

It's more that the Aura Mechanic itself is so intertwined with Lucario's character, that trying a different metagame with him is next to impossible. A similar issue with Pokemon Trainer. Because of his core design, you can barely main any of the 3 Pokemon at all. This is just a bad design issue that limits their metagame.

I don't have a real problem with it, but it's a pretty good point. I don't think making him like Ryu was a good idea. Mario already does that well enough in Melee. tongue

Shadow?
ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#60874: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:52:57 PM

I played some Project M with my friend...

It... did not speak to me the way Brawl did. And Lucario is just silly.

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#60875: Oct 11th 2014 at 12:54:09 PM

So they made Lucario more or less a clone of Mario as a by product of making him a lol Ryu joke.

That's kinda silly really.

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