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FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#59427: Sep 27th 2014 at 8:41:38 AM

I wonder if there will be such a big difference between the lower and high tiers in this one or if things are more balanced this time.

edited 27th Sep '14 8:41:50 AM by FullMoon

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#59428: Sep 27th 2014 at 8:47:05 AM

Have you guys ever tried downloading the entire soundtrack to the first three games AND Smashing...Live! and create an entire Itunes playlist of them?

I actually have, and here's the order for franchises:

SSB Opening themes/Battlefield/Final Destination

Smashing...LIVE Melee opening

Mario (including the main series, Golf/Tennis theme, Kart, Land, and Partners in Time. From the first three)

Smashing...LIVE Mario tracks

Donkey Kong (again, from the original three games)

Smashing...LIVE: Jungle Garden

Legend of Zelda tracks

Smashing...LIVE! Great Bay Temple

Metroid tracks

Smashing...LIVE! Depth of Brinstar

Yoshi's Island/Story tracks

Smashing...LIVE Yoshi's Story

Kirby tracks

Smashing...LIVE Kirby tracks

Star Fox tracks

Smashing...LIVE Star Fox tracks

Pokemon tracks

Smashing...LIVE Pokemon Medley

F-Zero Tracks

Earthbound tracks

Ice Climber tracks

Fire Emblem tracks

Smashing...LIVE Fire Emblem

Game and Watch Tracks

Wario Ware tracks

Kid Icarus Tracks

Pikmin tracks

Metal Gear tracks

Sonic the Hedgehog tracks

Animal Crossing Tracks

Other franchises (ie, ones represented by only stages or music in Brawl)

Smashing...Live Smash Bros. Great Medley

Super Smash bros. modes (Home run Contest, All Star, Training, etc.) and other fights (Metal fights, boss battles)

Smashing...LIVE Original Medley

Subspace Emissary

Credits themes

And here's how the order exactly works:

I start with any tracks from the N64 game, then I put Melee, then Brawl. (Example: The Mario tracks: I start with the two Mario tracks in the original, then any Melee tracks, then all of his Brawl remixes) And then I put that franchise's tracks from the Smashing...LIVE CD (if it has any), then i move onto the next franchise represented in Smash (IE: Donkey Kong). Lather, rinse, repeat. I'll add tracks from Smash 3DS when I get that game, and same for Wii U version.

edited 27th Sep '14 8:53:29 AM by powerpuffbats

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#59429: Sep 27th 2014 at 9:10:54 AM

I wonder if there will be such a big difference between the lower and high tiers in this one or if things are more balanced this time.
I mean, the jury's gonna be out on that one for a while, but the early impressions are mostly that, barring some kind of Melee-level exploit craziness, this is a pretty balanced game and even the eventual bottom rung of the tiering ladder will stand a fair chance against the top.

I sure said that!
FullMoon feeling blue from Surface Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
feeling blue
#59430: Sep 27th 2014 at 9:25:13 AM

Huh, interesting. I had heard the characters in this one were better balanced but I wasn't sure on that. Hope it stays that way once people get more used to the characters.

Customer Since: Sep, 2009
#59431: Sep 27th 2014 at 9:33:21 AM

We'll see once people can put in lab work after the game's released. There will definitely be a bottom tier, but as of now, it seems like it won't consist of obviously "competitively terrible" characters this time around. I'm expecting a tier list for For will take longer to surface compared to previous titles because of this.

edited 27th Sep '14 9:43:47 AM by Customer

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#59432: Sep 27th 2014 at 9:39:42 AM

By simple definition there's going to be a ladder from worst to best, it's just that this time around it looks like it's going to be a ladder that looks more like a Venetian blind or something, with all the rungs clustered together.

I sure said that!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#59433: Sep 27th 2014 at 9:44:43 AM

Smash's character balance has always left something to be desired, but this game does look so far like they're working on balancing and evening out mechanics a bit more.

Blueblur21 Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#59434: Sep 27th 2014 at 10:10:13 AM

I don't now about you guys, but I'm totally maining Villager. The ultimate SSSSXXXWTF Tier fighter in all of existence.

Just him. No one else. At all.

RavenKingSage MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
MY NAME IS GUNDHAM TANAKA
#59435: Sep 27th 2014 at 10:18:10 AM

I suppose your waifu doesn't mind?

edited 27th Sep '14 10:18:40 AM by RavenKingSage

What is a fandom? A miserable little pile of flame wars! 3DS FC: 0387-9377-7408 PSN ID: Raven King Sage
Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#59436: Sep 27th 2014 at 10:20:14 AM

Just play who you want to play, regardless if they're high tier or low tier. And I think calling someone SS tier this early on is way overdoing it. A Game-Breaker is really good, but a character that's really good is not always a Game-Breaker.

Blueblur21 Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Mrsunshinesprinkles Forever Gorgeous from Somewhere, crying Since: Jan, 2012
Forever Gorgeous
#59438: Sep 27th 2014 at 11:22:06 AM

@powerpuffbats: So a playlist consisting of nothing but awesome renditions of awesome Nintendo tracks, as well as live renditions of said renditions? Awesome.

Also, noob question; what's the best Smash balance has ever been, before this?

"Curry killed the pussy hoping that I could kill the hate in you" - Curry, D. "TABOO | TA13OO." TA13OO, PH, 2018
Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#59439: Sep 27th 2014 at 11:27:40 AM

It has pretty much never been balanced well. Ever. 64 had like 6 viable characters at best, Melee was okay down to Luigi and then it was the crap tiers, Brawl was lolmetaknight. 4 might be the best balance yet but only by virtue of how it's not nearly as high a discrepancy as the other games.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#59440: Sep 27th 2014 at 11:36:34 AM

64 probably had the best balance before? I'm no expert, but I think 64 pretty much followed the "make EVERYONE ridiculous" philosophy, which worked out okay. Competitively, I think Link and Samus are pretty much unusable, but Link is at least ridiculous at a non-competitive level, so it's less blatant?

Melee at least has lower tiers of which some have an ironically good match-up against the top-tier space animals when you take advanced techniques into account, although its balance really was shit when you just look at, say, Zelda and Sheik.

Brawl is, of course, the worst.

Ever.

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#59441: Sep 27th 2014 at 11:39:55 AM

I must admit that I am legitimately curious to what Brawl's Tier List would be like if Ganondorf was the perfect Counter to Meta Knight, and no changes otherwise.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#59442: Sep 27th 2014 at 11:52:06 AM

Just play who you want to play, regardless if they're high tier or low tier.

I'd love that. But constant reference to tier list rankings and character balance is rather disconcerting. That anyone performs "lab work" on this game, in comparison to any other, mainstream fighter, leaves me baffled.

Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#59443: Sep 27th 2014 at 11:54:20 AM

so wait, tier lists arent made in other fighting games like street fighter and such?

that sounds...unlikely.

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#59444: Sep 27th 2014 at 11:55:38 AM

Meanwhile I'm baffled by how much so many people insist on being baffled by that.

It's a cool game. Nerds analyze cool things. People as a whole and nerds in particular try to excel at things they think are cool. And that's cool. Just be cool, accept it as cool, and move on.

BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#59445: Sep 27th 2014 at 11:56:10 AM

[up][up][up]There's just as much in other fighting games. It's just more noticeable here because of the Broken Base's warring definitions of fun. Other fighting games don't have a broken base in that area, so it's not shouted about as often.

When was the last time you saw a casual Ultra Street Fighter IV player for example?

edited 27th Sep '14 11:56:55 AM by BaffleBlend

"It's liberating, realizing you never need to be competent." — Ultimatepheer
BloatedCreeper The One and Many from Area N Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
The One and Many
#59446: Sep 27th 2014 at 11:57:49 AM

Other games do.

I'm the guy who knows how to make games but doesn't. 3DS FC: 2878-9776-7579
Mrsunshinesprinkles Forever Gorgeous from Somewhere, crying Since: Jan, 2012
Forever Gorgeous
#59447: Sep 27th 2014 at 11:58:04 AM

See the game on its own merits, instead of comparing it to a mainstream fighter. Ignore them street brawlers and trekkens for a sec;

On its own, the mechanics are deep enough to pick apart and analyse. And some people do have fun in examining the deeper parts of a game.

There.

"Curry killed the pussy hoping that I could kill the hate in you" - Curry, D. "TABOO | TA13OO." TA13OO, PH, 2018
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#59448: Sep 27th 2014 at 11:58:05 AM

Plenty of people play other fighting games "casually"

Like, I'm horrible at Mortal Kombat, but I still pick it up to play with my friends now and again. I don't know any of the combos, or even how to do fatalities, but I still enjoy it.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#59449: Sep 27th 2014 at 11:59:29 AM

Every fighting game ever has tier lists and/or discussions about tiers. It's nothing new.

Blueblur21 Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#59450: Sep 27th 2014 at 12:06:19 PM

Dead or Alive only has one tier: Hitomi.


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