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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#59376: Sep 26th 2014 at 10:25:49 PM

But Dark Samus would be a completely different moveset compared to Young Link and Melee Dr. Mario...

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#59377: Sep 26th 2014 at 10:27:01 PM

[up][up]And he was an alt costume in P:M because he was the same guy in different clothes.note 

[up]But she still looks the same.

edited 26th Sep '14 10:27:34 PM by BaffleBlend

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#59378: Sep 26th 2014 at 10:59:26 PM

who cares if she looks the same as long as she has different attacks

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#59379: Sep 26th 2014 at 11:17:44 PM

Because that's not what the clone engine is supposed to do, I think? They won't be giving Dark Samus a completely different moveset if they add her.

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Blueblur21 Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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Blueblur21 Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#59382: Sep 27th 2014 at 12:06:14 AM

....Lucy is not a clone. She's a SEMI clone.

Tarsen Since: Dec, 2009
#59383: Sep 27th 2014 at 12:07:48 AM

the most clonelike of the clones.

Blueblur21 Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#59384: Sep 27th 2014 at 12:09:21 AM

Clone-ISH, but that's about it.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59385: Sep 27th 2014 at 12:10:45 AM

Lucina is basically a second Marth with her damage overall evened out instead of being concentrated at the tip of her sword.

I mean, I like Lucina,and I think she's a fine and dandy addition, but let's not pretend she isn't exactly that.

I'm not against clones, per se, but they need to be included in a way that makes sense, and hey, Lucina makes sense.

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#59386: Sep 27th 2014 at 12:16:56 AM

lucina is literally the most clone-like of all the clones

shes slightly shorter and she doesnt have a sweetspot at the tip of her sword

thats it

dr mario is less of a clone than her and he's just mario with a diploma

CassidyTheDevil Since: Jan, 2013
#59387: Sep 27th 2014 at 12:24:35 AM

Yeah, they're completely different, Lucina's got shorter hair.

Blueblur21 Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#59388: Sep 27th 2014 at 12:49:58 AM

I thought her hair was longer? Huh. Anyway, I could care less that she's a clone. She's in the game and that's all that matters to me.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#59389: Sep 27th 2014 at 12:50:47 AM

And yet you hate clones.

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Blueblur21 Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#59391: Sep 27th 2014 at 1:11:06 AM

Why is everyone still trying to argue with Blueblur? Look at that avatar and name. That's the face of someone who's right no matter what.

But she still looks the same.
While I can understand your frustration because character design and flavor are more important to me than movesets, I have to disagree here. I'm no big supporter of Dark Samus (in no small part because "Dark X" is such a hackneyed trope), but in the hands of people who aren't entirely without imagination, she could absolutely be interesting. Per default, the only thing about her similar to Samus is her shape. Her colors are different, and more importantly, the way she acts and carries herself can be made extremely different. She can walk a different way and doesn't even have to walk at all. I'm no expert, but as an AT, she just kind of zooms around, doesn't she?

I usually hate "this clone character can have a different moveset" arguments because it does nothing for the flavor to give one character horizontal slashes or vertical ones, and giving someone like Toon Link an entirely different set of specials would just exacerbate the problem of him being "the other Link", but Dark Samus is literally a mass of evil energy and stuff that just happened to took Samus' shape. That aside, her potential moveset might as well be Cthulhu's. So unless she's being handled by unimaginative and/or lazy people, I can't say I agree with the argument that she would be a boring clone who brings nothing interesting to the table.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#59392: Sep 27th 2014 at 1:17:50 AM

(in no small part because "Dark X" is such a hackneyed trope)
One thing I kinda feel like I should note is that Dark Samus isn't something like Samus inner darkness or whatever, which would indeed be hackeneyed, but rather, is basically Metroid Prime having stolen and now made partial from Samus' Phazon Suit from the first Prime game.

... What I'm trying to say is that I think Dark Samus should've been referred to as Prime or Metroid Prime or something other than Dark Samus, because then we wouldn't be splitting hairs over all this.

EDIT: And you actually already covered that. This is what I get for posting after being jarred awake at four in the morning.

edited 27th Sep '14 1:18:45 AM by Pulse

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#59393: Sep 27th 2014 at 1:18:29 AM

[up][up] Why thank you. I'm not always right, but when I am I'm not wrong.

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edited 27th Sep '14 1:18:48 AM by Blueblur21

Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#59394: Sep 27th 2014 at 2:24:45 AM

[up] I am left with no choice but to accept that oxymoronic claim and non-sequitur ending statement as reasonable.

[up][up] It's an odd case. By all means the origin of Dark Samus actually makes a lot of sense. On the other hand, the creators still created the premise leading to its creation with the intended end result of a "Dark Samus" in mind. So I don't know what to think of how original Dark Samus really is as a character. An interesting twist on a common trope, I guess.

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edited 27th Sep '14 2:25:34 AM by Fawriel

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#59395: Sep 27th 2014 at 2:50:25 AM

Actually, the tease at the end of Metroid Prime was just intended to be a fun little extra - Retro didn't expect a sequel to be greenlit, let alone so quickly. I expect the Dark Samus name stuck due to the dark world theme of Echoes and the established doppelgänger naming convention, which then carried over to the sequel. A shame, as even if they didn't keep the Metroid Prime name, the name given to her in the Pirate logs, 'the Dark Hunter', would have been infinitely preferable.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#59396: Sep 27th 2014 at 2:52:54 AM

I still think naming her Dark Samus was a bit of deliberate misdirection on the part of Retro in regards to how to best fight her- Despite being named Dark, she's originally from the light universe and thus is weak to the Dark Beam.

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#59398: Sep 27th 2014 at 2:56:36 AM

Ah, right- I don't think I was ever around when you were talking about it. What're you especially interested in this time around, Faw? I myself want to get a good grasp on Robin and the revamped Pit, among other things I can't mention in this particular thread.

edited 27th Sep '14 2:57:39 AM by Pulse

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stevebat Since: Nov, 2009
#59399: Sep 27th 2014 at 2:57:25 AM

So quick question, the assist trophy in the demo, That is Dark Samus, as opposed to SA-X right? Because I honestly thought it was SA-X, particularly with the ice beam spam.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#59400: Sep 27th 2014 at 2:58:51 AM

That's Dark Samus. She's shooting Phazon, the Prime subseries' Green Rocks that happens to be a blue glowing gel/energy thing. They put some effort into her model, interestingly enough- Her design mostly comes from her Prime 3 appearance, but there's a few changes her and there, like her arm cannon being shaped a little more like the Other M Power Suit's.

edited 27th Sep '14 3:00:16 AM by Pulse

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