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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#58051: Sep 15th 2014 at 6:01:24 PM

Germany's reaction

Yes, this is probably fake. But it's still funny.

edited 15th Sep '14 6:02:32 PM by KnownUnknown

Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#58052: Sep 15th 2014 at 6:43:59 PM

Wow, Robin's Arcfire is really good. It's like Ness's PK Fire if it still worked on block. It's really easy to confirm even into Nosferatu.

It would be so easy to spam if it weren't for the fact that it broke over time.

Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#58053: Sep 15th 2014 at 7:10:35 PM

Doesn't it break pretty slowly, though? Like, eight uses is a fair number.

I sure said that!
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#58054: Sep 15th 2014 at 7:50:38 PM

I really like that Robin's magic breaks. Like, that's a real neat and unique mechanic.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#58055: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:01:13 PM

Well, that's interesting. According to one of the tips, Bowser's such a tough guy that, when he's at low %s, light attacks won't make him flinch.

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Keybreak (Long Runner)
#58056: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:05:17 PM

Oh good, I need that. I get hit too much when I'm playing with Bowser cause he's so slow.

I'm not against Mighty Glaciers, I just gotta get some hits with them.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#58057: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:06:46 PM

Oh, man, so Bowser's just got boss armor at low %? That really awesome!

Here's hoping any other heavyweights get some of that, too.

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Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#58058: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:07:56 PM

It's an amusing tip, too. It's simply named "Bowser: Tough Guy"

Like how Meta Knight's standard attack (jab combo) is called "Meta Knight: Flurry Attack", and states that Meta Knight simply doesn't do standard attacks.

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#58059: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:10:48 PM

Guys, D1's streaming some Smash 4 stuff (Character Spoiler Alert). Palutena's Jump Glide looks like something straight out of an Arc System Works game and it's great. I hope custom specials can stay.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#58060: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:12:32 PM

Stay in what capacity? Like, into the next Smash?

I'm pretty sure that's nothing to worry about. You can't really put the genie back in the bottle for this sort of thing.

And what do ya mean by it being like an Arc System Works game?

edited 15th Sep '14 8:12:51 PM by Enlong

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#58061: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:13:58 PM

I meant stay in tournaments. As in not get banned.

I meant in how much it works like an instant air dash. She can just hop and fly across the screen and do a f-air or b-air and get in for free. It's awesome.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#58062: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:18:48 PM

I wouldn't ban custom moves, if I were doing tourneys. It's not like items, where it's random and can unbalance a fight (which may not be too terrible, but would require a larger number of rounds in the tourney to be fair overall), but rather it's a choice the player gets for their fighter, which are known in general, if not in the specific.

I find it to be a similar concept to not knowing your opponents' move sets in a Pokemon match, or having your team composition and asist choices hidden in a game of MVC or Skullgirls or something.

And if the tourney makers really want, then they could require players to announce their setups.

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Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#58063: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:27:43 PM

No kidding- There's a total of four variables of three each, so hey, 12 possible setups per character, even counting ones that likely won't see much use because of bad synergy.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#58064: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:28:36 PM

^ I would go with the last thing, as the possible moves are specific variations off of a list, but then I'm not too much in the tourney mindset. Just check the custom moves for anything that's totally unacceptable (which I doubt would be many), then have the players declare their movelist at onset.

edited 15th Sep '14 8:29:44 PM by KnownUnknown

Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#58065: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:56:18 PM

With the exception of Palutena's everything, all the custom moves are really just variations on their already-given moves with bonuses like more power, faster, larger hitboxes, different hit properties, etc. Nothing really looks like it'll be super broken; even Palutena and her get-in-free moves come at the cost of some good tools like her Reflector and easy recovery. I doubt there'll be a need to outright ban anything.

edited 15th Sep '14 8:56:52 PM by Nap1100

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#58066: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:01:42 PM

Of all the things I'm waiting for in Smash 4 though, custom moves are the biggest things.

It's like two clones per character. In a good way though!

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#58067: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:04:10 PM

Really, until the custom moves are properly tested, and more which ones which may be a bit too powerful(if any), any "bans" will entirely depend on how accessible the Amiigos are for the Wii U version. The 3DS version won't matter in that regard.

Shadow?
Keybreak (Long Runner)
#58068: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:05:20 PM

amiibos.

Also the a must be lowercase. It is etched in stone.

edited 15th Sep '14 9:07:31 PM by Keybreak

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MJTrooper Since: Apr, 2011
#58069: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:07:04 PM

[up][up]What do the Amiibos have to do with custom special moves and tournaments?

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#58070: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:27:27 PM

That's how you save your custom moves to take it to another Wii U. It's not relevant to 3DS tournaments, of course. We may not have to worry about that regardless since we can use a 3DS as a controller now.(although many have cited "My Circle Pad broke because of the demo!" lately that I've seen, so eh.

And my bad on the name. I'm used to the regular term. >_<

Shadow?
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#58071: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:29:52 PM

Is tha what they can do? All I know is that they're used to train up a custom AI fighter.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#58072: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:41:30 PM

I remember hearing about it.

However, I might've heard wrong or misremembered. Probably best to research that one. But I do think you can definitely do this with the 3DS controller now. It probably was implemented that way so you can transfer your customs over to the other version. It has a "link-up" style option and all.

Shadow?
Pulse The Fool from Yadayadaville Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Fool
#58073: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:43:04 PM

[nja]It's for saving custom moves and parts to a specific AI stored on the amiibo.[nja] It is not possible to render the data on the amiibo as a human-controlled character.

[nja]

EDIT: It's a regular ninja storm in here!

Custom Moves look to be relatively easy to get- It's Custom PARTS, the equipment pieces, that look to be a bit more of an effort to get. I'm guessing that any given tournament with all the stages and characters unlocked will also have all the custom specials available.

edited 15th Sep '14 9:43:54 PM by Pulse

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Nap1100 Since: Mar, 2012
#58074: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:45:43 PM

Yeah, it seems like tournament organizers are generally agreeing on allowing custom moves, but banning equipment. That stuff is way too unpredictable and has potential to be broken.

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#58075: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:46:19 PM

Oh good, if they're at least allowing custom moves.

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