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nigelstack345 Let's dance, boys! from Subspace Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
MJTrooper Since: Apr, 2011
#57953: Sep 15th 2014 at 6:10:21 AM

Expect the characters in Conquest mode to be everywhere online. When Fox shows up, it really will be "Fox only!" I wonder what will happen if Mirror Matches occur.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#57955: Sep 15th 2014 at 6:44:57 AM

I don't mind menus that much, but waiting over 4 hours for a 3DS one was a little bad.

If it was a Wii U menu, something nobody knows about, it might've been better.

Not a fan of this update. I like the actual mode, but the timing of when to show it off was kind of awful. I think tomorrow he should've posted it, with today being a site update or something.

Shadow?
BaffleBlend Hey there! Having fun? from Somewhere Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: LET'S HAVE A ZILLION BABIES
Hey there! Having fun?
#57956: Sep 15th 2014 at 7:10:51 AM

I'm still having fun with the demo. Figuring it out competitively is really helping extend its life.

It and the entire genre are like Chess — everyone has just about the same options, but the variety comes from figuring out new ways to reduce the opponent's while trying to prevent them from doing the same to you. And there's only one playable character in Chess — the demo has five.

  • Mario is basically the standard setup with eight pawns, two knights/bishops/rooks, a king and a queen.
  • Pikachu has a bunch of bishops and rooks to dart around the board and strike fast and hard, but the king is exposed and there is no queen.
  • Link has less pawns and more knights. He can attack more, but he has to do some careful maneuvering to do so. His king is right next to his rooks, very well-protected at close range but easy to get reckless with and leave abandoned.
  • Villager's bishops and knights are front and center with his huge range, with the pawns as backup. He has multiple queens, but they're well-buried behind the other pieces.
  • Mega Man has more rooks and knights than the other characters, but he only has a single row of pieces with no pawns, so all of his pieces are exposed and, with care, can be countered and destroyed in a flash.

And when the full game comes out, which multiplies the number of characters tenfold, it will have so much more with that. So yeah, looking forward to it.

edited 15th Sep '14 7:14:49 AM by BaffleBlend

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jdj42 Since: Oct, 2012
#57957: Sep 15th 2014 at 7:19:35 AM

[up]x7 Now I'm picturing Sakurai drunk.

edited 15th Sep '14 7:26:36 AM by jdj42

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#57958: Sep 15th 2014 at 7:31:41 AM

Drunkurai!

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Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#57959: Sep 15th 2014 at 7:40:35 AM

So there's the answer to that mysterious three-team screen we saw earlier. Neat.

AceOfScarabs I am now a shiny stone~ from Singapore Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
I am now a shiny stone~
#57960: Sep 15th 2014 at 7:43:00 AM

Fierce Deity Link details :D

The three finest things in life are to splat your enemies, drive them from their turf, and hear their lamentations as their rank falls!
CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
jdj42 Since: Oct, 2012
#57962: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:15:15 AM

[up]They could have rolled away instead of standing up.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#57963: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:17:18 AM

Sakurai has already made it clear patches are happening. He might nerf that later.

From what I gathered, ZSS is a bit overpowered. As is Villager's Up B.

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jdj42 Since: Oct, 2012
#57964: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:18:46 AM

[up] Or, maybe people will roll away instead of standing up.

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CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Starting to believe in himself
#57965: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:22:21 AM

This is from the description, translated:

ZSS on Robin, previously only possible on ROB and similarly shaped characters. Dsmash or Charged Paralyzer > Footstool > Uncharaged otg Paralyzer > Fully Charged Dsmash or Charged Paralyzer > Footstool... For a certain distance, footstooled characters cannot tech. Uncharged otg Paralyzer forces standing wake-up.

Vgm3 This is the Monado's power! from Miami, Florida Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
This is the Monado's power!
#57966: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:22:34 AM

Nvm

edited 15th Sep '14 8:22:47 AM by Vgm3

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#57967: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:26:03 AM

Suggesting that constantly won't make it less OP, so...

I see a nerf in the future. Since that's the more reasonable option. Characters should be balanced. Too many defensive options don't help at all. Brawl had a serious issue with that. KO'ing was severely difficult in that game, which is actually what hurt its competitive nature. If it's too easy in this game, then the characters need to be a bit weaker to make it a bit more balanced. And right now, a lot of characters have some seriously unbalanced issues. But that's what patches are for, and since we already got a patch coming(to fix the major bug with Peach's Down B in For Glory) and regular dlc already happened, well... expect nerfs/buffs in the future.

[up][up] If I'm reading that correctly, they can't roll away, right? If so, it's definitely a problem. And not just a "OP but avoidable" problem.

edited 15th Sep '14 8:26:53 AM by Irene

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jdj42 Since: Oct, 2012
#57968: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:26:41 AM

[up][up][up] Every comment on the video is about how to get out of it.

edited 15th Sep '14 8:26:53 AM by jdj42

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#57969: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:29:12 AM

You can't roll out of it due to the Paralyzer forcing the character to stand up and you can't tech off of a footstool jump.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#57970: Sep 15th 2014 at 8:30:29 AM

Exactly. It can't be gotten out of.

That means a nerf is needed. I originally thought it was simply just OP but avoidable. That means a nerf would be nice, but only that.

But with that knowledge, and once Sakurai finds out about it, we'll get a nerf patch. Because he's already trying to avoid these problems by adding patches to the game.

Shadow?
doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#57971: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:18:53 AM

How do you know that the developers will nerf anything post-release?

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#57972: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:26:36 AM

He's already releasing patches to fix issues in the game. So, um, yeah, we can expect him to fix any broken combos in the game too. Especially since he specified he cares about balancing the game this time around.

He just has to find out about the broken combo. That's literally the only way he won't find a way to nerf it.

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Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
#57973: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:26:52 AM

Why wouldn't they? We already know that patches for the game are a thing, and that one character has the silliest bug, so why wouldn't they also fix crazy OP stuff found along the way?

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doctrainAUM White Hindu from New Jersey Since: Aug, 2010
White Hindu
#57974: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:39:23 AM

I just felt it was out-of-character for Irene - someone who goes around forums and articles, telling people that they can't even theorize about things that aren't 100% proven - to make assumption based on inferences, but not on explicit statements. That's all.

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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#57975: Sep 15th 2014 at 9:44:49 AM

It feels bit empty now to not to have a POTD now, doesn't it?

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